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Dubya calls for US Gestapo (Barf Alert)
The Register USA ^ | 06/07/2002 | Thomas C Greene

Posted on 06/07/2002 6:05:22 PM PDT by JameRetief

Dubya calls for US Gestapo


By Thomas C Greene in Washington
Posted: 06/07/2002 at 09:40 EST

US President George Dubya Bush took to the airwaves last night in an appeal for the establishment of a new cabinet-level Department of Homeland Security, to keep us all safe and snug in our beds.

"Thousands of trained killers are plotting to attack us," the President warned, and added that "this terrible knowledge requires us to act differently."
Acting differently means creating a vast federal bureaucratic complex to gather and sift data relevant to US persons collected by myriad federal and state government and law enforcement offices, and commercial bodies such as banks, insurers and direct marketing firms.

To this will be added regular reports from the NSA, CIA and FBI, at their discretion.

The stated purpose here is to provide a second layer of insurance against the intelligence and communications failures affecting both the CIA and FBI, which Congress is now investigating. But according to the White House, the new Homeland Security Department will not have access to raw data from these agencies, but will instead rely on whatever redacted reports they happen to volunteer. This means that any important data these agencies fail to recognize will also be missed by the new Department. So we can pretty well rule out the possibility that the stated purpose is the real purpose.

The real purpose, clearly, is data acquisition, mining and manipulation on a gargantuan scale.

The Department will bring together under one roof the Secret Service, the FBI's National Infrastructure Protection Center (NIPC), the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS), US Customs, the Coast Guard, the Transportation Security Administration and the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), among others. It will involve something on the order of 170,000 federal employees and a budget of $37 billion, though the White House insists that it will be 'budget neutral', meaning that exisiting and planned federal revenues will simply be redistributed. Of course it's impossible for a bureaucracy that size to remain 'budget neutral' over the long term, but that's how it's to be rolled out and sold to Congress in any case.

Safety last

So, how much safer will the public be after all this is set in motion? No safer, or somewhat less safe, the history of Washington politics tells us. Federal agencies do not work and play well with others. They scent-mark and jealously defend their turf and throw elbows at every point of overlap. They blame each other; they even undermine each other. Anyone who imagines they can be brought together as one big happy family is smoking, and inhaling.

The Feds will know what you're buying and what you're reading and what you're watching on TV, but they certainly won't be in a position to use any of that to stop terrorists. They'll be swimming in data, drowning in it, hopelessly struggling to sort it out. Keep in mind that the current Congressional hearings on the CIA/FBI intel failures indicate not that the agencies lacked the raw data they needed, but rather that they were unable to distinguish the signal from the noise. And now we're to have an enormous new Department which can accomplish nothing more than to get a lot more federal employees listening to a lot more noise.

Right -- we feel safer already.

Congressional blindside

And if bureaucratic turf wars weren't enough to make you a pessimist about this Laudable Scheme, the inevitable and additional Congressional battles ought bring you around. If we consider all the federal agencies to be affected, twenty-two in total, then we're also probably talking about corresponding changes to something like fifty or sixty Congressional committees with varying degrees of control over them. Members wheedle and scheme and plot, sometimes for decades, to win coveted seats on choice committees. Why? For a delicious combination of enriched media exposure and meaty hunks of pork for the constituency back home, two immensely valuable political assets.

As soon as Congress agrees to consider creating the new Department, which, politically speaking, it must do, back-room alliances and alignments are going to start shifting in unpredictable ways as Members manouvre to protect their turf. Yet incredibly, Dubya imagines he can get Congress to sort all this out by the end of the year. "We face an urgent need," he warned last night. "And we must move quickly, this year, before the end of the Congressional session."

There are two good reasons for attempting it, however. First, the minute Congress lifts a finger towards any other important business, the White house can righteously accuse Members of not caring about the safety of Americans and their precious children. Since delays are in fact inevitable, the Bush administration is guaranteed a handy political weapon to use against Democrats in the mid-term elections later this year.

Second, getting Congress mired in this vast political and bureaucratic monstrosity is a brilliant way to ensure that Members lay off him about the Enron scandal and the current intelligence failure, both of which threaten to do him substantial political harm. "Why are the Democrats in Congress thwarting the President's Laudable Scheme to make America safe, when thousands of trained killers are plotting to attack us?" Republicans will ask rhetorically, again and again.

But the true beauty is this: the Democrats in Congress have been demanding that Dubya do precisely what he's just proposed to do. They've been attacking him for doing too little to prevent future terror attacks. They've been saying that if he was serious about defending the Homeland, he'd make the office a cabinet-level Department.

They didn't quite understand that if he did as they demanded, it would only help him and hurt them. And now they can't possibly refuse his immensely generous offer. Indeed, they'll look like traitors if they so much as delay it slightly.

Pretty impressive for a guy who was nearly felled by a pretzel.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush; cabinetlevel; congress; department; homelandsecurity
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1 posted on 06/07/2002 6:05:23 PM PDT by JameRetief
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To: JameRetief
I disagree I think the current occupant of the white house, is building a structure similar to the KGB, border police, interior guards, etc etc.

This agency willbe more deadly than the gestapo and KGB combined, better technology involved.

2 posted on 06/07/2002 6:17:47 PM PDT by dts32041
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To: JameRetief
After the stunt the democRATS pulled on him about "What did he know, and when did he know it" they get what they deserve. Poetic justice is how I see it. They cried for it and they GOT IT, For weeks we have had to listen to the RATS cry about Tom Ridge not testifying, Now they will get their wish. A wise man once said... "be careful of what you wish for"
3 posted on 06/07/2002 6:23:19 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: dts32041
"border police, interior guards"

That makes the President a Nazi? My goodness you Reform Party Orphans are a sick bunch

4 posted on 06/07/2002 6:25:38 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: JameRetief
Why should we believe for one second that anyone writing for a web site devoted to computer industry news knows anything more about how the federal government works than the staff of People magazine knows about neurosurgery?

Greene's an irrelevant moron. Treat his output accordingly.

5 posted on 06/07/2002 6:28:16 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: MJY1288
I didn't say the current occupant of the white house was a nazi, I just said the proposed structure of the cabient department reminds of the structure of the KGB and Gestapo combined.

Just didn't bring in the FBI under the umbrella, but under stand the SS is.

6 posted on 06/07/2002 6:28:30 PM PDT by dts32041
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To: dts32041
Oh OK, I reads like your making the claim though, No Problem
7 posted on 06/07/2002 6:32:34 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: JameRetief
It's really quite simple:

Bush is not only showing the way to the door, he is also crafting the key that will lead to worse than Nazi Germany. I'm still debating whether the poor fool realizes what he's doing.

8 posted on 06/07/2002 6:35:30 PM PDT by Darth Sidious
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To: dts32041
What I will say though, This agency will probably better serve us, BUT there has to be a great deal of oversight, because this kind of power unfeddered could be dangerous in the hands of another Bill Clinton. I'm sure they will set it up right. They will probably approve the formation of the agancy pretty easily, the details will be another story. But if they do it like the Defense dept. was done it will be a great improvement I think
9 posted on 06/07/2002 6:36:42 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: MJY1288
This is how the Nazis got started. Better to draw the parallel and be wrong than to be caught unawares.
10 posted on 06/07/2002 6:38:15 PM PDT by droberts
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To: droberts
If there was any parrellels that were even remotely comparable I would agree with you, but it's a stretch to call re-organizing a bunch of outta control agencies and putting them under one tent, is hardly comaprable to the beginnings of Adolph Hitler's Nazi Germany in the early 30's
11 posted on 06/07/2002 6:45:48 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: Darth Sidious
"Bush is not only showing the way to the door, he is also crafting the key that will lead to worse than Nazi Germany. I'm still debating whether the poor fool realizes what he's doing."

Maybe you should be running the country, or Maybe you should move to deep space 9 before it's too late

12 posted on 06/07/2002 6:52:33 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: dts32041
didn't say the current occupant of the white house was a nazi, I just said the proposed structure of the cabient department reminds of the structure of the KGB and Gestapo combined.

Look, this "concern" about what future administrations may do with this is a bit academic. IF 911 had happened under Clinton, martial law would have been in place by 5:00 pm of the same day. Clinton would have immediately gone into overdrive to get every gun bill passed, and instead of rounding up the suspected Muslim collaborators he would have had swat teams surrounding every “right wing” group in the country Yes, any law can be abused by those that have the power to do so but that does not make the law a bad idea. The bad idea is to allow those that would abuse it to be elected. This is a tool to address a national problem and it is our responsibility to watch who, how and when it is used.

13 posted on 06/07/2002 6:58:13 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: MJY1288
Well, for one thing Bush isn't "running" the country: he's supposed to be a mere mortal who's been entrusted with an elected position. That makes him no more or less important than any other American.

The fact that he's become seen as an idol of temporal power by many people has a historical precedent that is most disquieting.

14 posted on 06/07/2002 6:58:57 PM PDT by Darth Sidious
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To: Darth Sidious
I sit here in awe of your intellectual and analytical capacity.Your post is truly inspired. Had I not read it I would have gone on through life as an unenlightened lump. This has been a true theophany and I reccommend that you open your own website and issue daily, nay, hourly pronouncements.

Please, for the sake of our national posterity, state your profound solution to this problem of national security in the face of international terrorism. I await, trembling in anticipation.

15 posted on 06/07/2002 7:04:13 PM PDT by Adrastus
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To: Darth Sidious
That makes him no more or less important than any other American.

Yep, my Secret Service agents just agreed with you. Geeze.

16 posted on 06/07/2002 7:06:22 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: droberts
Notice how you're getting scarce few really intelligent, articulate responses to your concerns from the "bushbootlicks"?

These people are stuck in a comfort zone, just as the Clintonites felt safe behind their guy. They're the ones who feel "empowered" at this particular moment in time. Thing is, they haven't asked themselves if they seriously deserve power.

Anyone who asks in their stead, is considered a threat to their safety. These people aren't even real individuals: they've tacked their identities onto a collective, symbolized by a man in a mere office. In the greater spiritual economy of the world around us, they've meager foundation to call their own.

17 posted on 06/07/2002 7:06:32 PM PDT by Darth Sidious
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To: Darth Sidious
"bushbootlicks"?

OOHHHH that was devastating.

18 posted on 06/07/2002 7:07:53 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Darth Sidious
Anyone who asks in their stead, is considered a threat to their safety. These people aren't even real individuals: they've tacked their identities onto a collective, symbolized by a man in a mere office. In the greater spiritual economy of the world around us, they've meager foundation to call their own.

Your sci-fi fetish is showing. LOL

19 posted on 06/07/2002 7:09:33 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Darth Sidious
Blah Blah Blah, now give us all a sermon about how close to God you are while you verbally attack everyone on the forum. I've witnessed your love of self many times here on FR, and I really don't care to get another idiot lesson on life from you. You're a spoiled child with no manners. GROW UP
20 posted on 06/07/2002 7:11:39 PM PDT by MJY1288
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