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To: Condorman
With a little bit of effort, a consistent system of right and wrong can be deduced without the need for threats of eternal hellfire and damnation. The libertarian principle against initiating force, fraud, or coersion comes to mind.

Who says that's right?

What's wrong with coercion?

Define fraud.

Where does the libertarian principle come from?




218 posted on 06/07/2002 7:05:16 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Who says that's right? What's wrong with coercion? Define fraud. Where does the libertarian principle come from?

The stated assumptions are that all people are equal with respect to morals; that morals apply equally to all persons; that individuals are sovereign. If it is not immoral for me to initiate force against another, then it is not immoral for another to initiate force against me. Since I do not wish another to initiate force against me, I may not initiate force against another. Coercion is the threat of force. Fraud is willful deception during a transaction, usually for the purpose of disproportionate gain.

And you're still dodging the question: Are there actions which are immoral without the say-so of God?

You said that if God did not prohibit murder, then he would not be God. Is God constrained then to only approve empirically moral actions? How is such determined? Could God approve of an immoral action?

I've answered enough of your questions. You start answering some of mine.

269 posted on 06/07/2002 10:20:58 PM PDT by Condorman
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