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1 posted on 06/06/2002 1:29:17 PM PDT by NYer
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Heh Heh Heh Heh He said "Swartz'ntruber".
4 posted on 06/06/2002 1:40:40 PM PDT by Lost Highway
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Perhaps the Amish folks involved here can pay their fine in butter.

You know, I've been wondering when someone was going to pay attention to this national buggy crisis. Everyone knows it has reached a critical mass and had to be dealt with. But what I really want to know is - were the cops who pulled these folks over to ticket them profiling? Is this really just a problem of driving while Amish?

6 posted on 06/06/2002 1:44:48 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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Perhaps you don't know this, but there is an FR rule that I am pinged to ALL Amish threads.

Well, not really, but there should be.

7 posted on 06/06/2002 1:45:27 PM PDT by AmishDude
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14 posted on 06/06/2002 2:05:55 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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I'm originally from Western PA near the area this case originates... the Amish usually mind their own business and are even civil [if not polite] the idiots who insist on taking photos of them.

For most things, I'd say to leave them alone.

However, if they want to run their buggies on the public roads, they are subject to the same laws as the rest of us.

There aren't a lot of street lights in the PA countryside, the buggies are black and the horses dark brown.

In the heavily Amish areas, there are almost no lights (no electric, no indoor plumbing, etc.)... which makes it really dark on the country roads -- which is what most of PA is.

If this is a religious issue to them, they should follow their convictions to the logical conclusion and stay off the public roads.... which were made by machines and have reflectors.

16 posted on 06/06/2002 2:06:57 PM PDT by dfrussell
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SCOTUS alert.
23 posted on 06/06/2002 2:20:20 PM PDT by pabianice
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Those Swartzentruber Amish must be really strict. The Amish I saw at Shipshewana, Indiana had no trouble with those triangle reflector lights on their buggies.

BTW, I learned quite a bit about the Amish when hanging out there. I was friends with Dan the Amishman who told me a lot of interesting stuff about the Amish. Do you know why the Amish have beards but no moustaches? I do.

24 posted on 06/06/2002 2:20:40 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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I'm sure glad these people are so religious.

Amish/Mennonite puppy mills

http://www.bogartsdaddy.com/bouvier/Bouv_Pages/article-nypost-pa-puppymills.htm

By Laura Italiano
Post Correspondent

Inside the picturesque barns and wooden fences of Amish country, pedigree puppies are bred by the tens of thousands, many living in a hellish world of filthy, crowded cages. They are "puppy mill" puppies, and they bring in $4 million a year for the 100 Amish and Mennonite farmers who supply boutique dog-shop markets, including at least two New York dealers, the ASPCA says.

"It's not just some cottage industry by people who sell bread-and-butter pickles by the roadside," said Roger Caras, ASPCA executive director. The farmers sell 20,000 puppies a year to wholesalers for an average $223 a pup, government records show.

And it's making some of these quaint farmers quite rich. U.S. Department of Agriculture documents show that one farmer in the town of Blue Ball sold 1,293 puppies last year for an estimated $290,000 though federal inspectors have cited his farm for numerous violations since 1992 including overcrowded cages and inadequate sanitation, pest control, feeding and watering of animals.

"Then these sickly, genetic nightmares are delivered to the upscale pet shops," Caras said.

"They given them a bath and blowdry them and fluff them up and pray they don't die before they're sold," for $1,000 or more each.

Separate investigations by the ASPCA and The Post found the deplorable conditions of puppy mills hidden away in picture-postcard Pennsylvania Dutch country, the fastest growing puppy-breeding region in the eastern United States.

Inside one dark, fetid metal shed inspected by The Post last week, About 40 puppies—German shepherds, dobermans and shitzus among them—were locked in threes and fours in cages a single dog would find cramped.

Many were unresponsive to a visitor's presence and voice. Most had coats matted with feces. There was no apparent escape from the shed's darkness and stench.

When questioned about the shed, Amish farmer David Zimmerman denied it was a kennel, even pretending that the ruckus of dog barks coming from inside was "just Potsy, the family dog, chasing that gray kitten again."

He might have been cautious for good reason: Zimmerman's license to sell puppies in bulk has been suspended by the USDA.

"It's harassment," Zimmerman said of the USDA, which has also fined him $51,250 for numerous animal-welfare violations. Zimmerman, whose farm is in Ephrata, is appealing the fine.

31 posted on 06/06/2002 2:32:11 PM PDT by 07055
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When I took driver's ed I was taught horses have right of way. Has that changed ?
51 posted on 06/06/2002 4:16:31 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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If the Amish do not want to be protected by big brother then they should be left alone. I am rooting for the Amish. Leave them alone, if they lose this one then next they will be forcing them to buy cell phones so that they can be in constant communication with the traffic safety commission in the Hague. Why do people worry about these people? Leave them alone.
56 posted on 06/06/2002 7:04:11 PM PDT by Raymond Hendrix
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57 posted on 06/06/2002 7:21:20 PM PDT by Sparkvark
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There areAmish church districts in Ohio that don't use the orange triangles, so I'm at a loss as to why this particular group moved to Pa., unless it was a matter of finding more farmland. In Ohio, it is easy to pop over a hill and find a buggy just on the other side of the crest. If you know this possibility, it's not a problem. If there is a speeding semi behind you there's a big problem indeed. The Amish will ride in, but may not own an automobile. There are numerous van "taxi" services in Ohio for those Amish who need to get to town quick, or have more than six to ten miles to their destination.
73 posted on 06/07/2002 6:37:10 AM PDT by Wiser now
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It all depends on the sect of the Amish religion I guess, some use tractors and electricity, but only if powered by their own generator to stop waist... others will pay someone to drive them around in cars, but will not operate them or own them themselves.... I gave up trying to keep it all straight years ago... I respect their devotion to hard work, and anyone willing to wear full black and a full beard in 90+ degrees with 90%+ humidity while working a full day of farm work is certainly dedicated.
77 posted on 06/07/2002 7:18:25 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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