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Over 180 Witnesses Saw Midair Fire Before Flight 587 Crashed
NewsMax.com ^ | 6/04/02 | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

Posted on 06/04/2002 3:13:49 PM PDT by kattracks

Most of the eyewitnesses to last November's crash of American Airlines Flight 587 have told investigators they saw fire and/or smoke aboard the doomed plane before it plummeted into a residential neighborhood in Rockaway, N.Y., the National Transportation Safety Board announced on Tuesday.

Of 349 crash witnesses interviewed by the NTSB, 52 percent - or 181 people - said they saw flames coming from the fuselage as the Airbus 300's vertical stabilizer and engines came off.

Another 22 percent of witnesses interviewed reported seeing smoke but no flames before Flight 587 crashed. Only 20 percent said they saw neither smoke nor fire.

Some witnesses told reporters immediately after the crash that they saw an explosion, or a series of explosions, before the jetliner came apart. The NTSB didn't cite the number of witnesses who backed that account, according to an Associated Press report on their interviews.

Within days of the crash, noted air safety expert Mary Schiavo said that such a catastrophic midair breakup would be hard to explain by mere structural defects.

Despite the high number of witnesses who report seeing a midair fire on Flight 587, NTSB spokeswoman Marion Blakey had said as recently as last month that safety investigators found no evidence of fire or explosives in the wreckage.

The agency has repeatedly said there is no evidence the crash was anything other than an accident.

Flight 587 crashed on Nov. 12, a day after the second month anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks. The FBI had issued a terrorist alert for Nov. 11.

In the seven months since, the NTSB has kept under wraps a traffic surveillance videotape that captured Flight 587 as it took off from New York's JFK airport before breaking apart 123 seconds later.

In an interview with NewsMax.com in February, NTSB spokesman Ted Lopatkiewicz said he had seen the videotape but declined to reveal whether it supports accounts of a midair explosion and fire.

"I don't want to comment on that because I'd rather [have] everybody make his or her own assessment when they see it," he said.

Lopatkiewicz said the tape would be made public when we the NTSB opens the case docket, which is now scheduled for October.

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1 posted on 06/04/2002 3:13:49 PM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
"Lopatkiewicz said the tape would be made public when we the NTSB opens the case docket, which is now scheduled for October."

By that time, they'll have had plenty of opportunity to doctor the tape.

From a stationary camera, even an infant could paint out an airborne missile with a copy of photoshop.
2 posted on 06/04/2002 3:17:54 PM PDT by Demosthenes
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To: kattracks
What's so secret about the tape? Shoe bomb? Might interfere with American Airlines demand that passengers be searched less?
3 posted on 06/04/2002 3:18:04 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: kattracks
You know, if there was only one plane involved with the 9/11 attack, and it slammed into one of the WTC towers, today we would still be hearing about what a terrible accident it was.

Just like Flight 800.

And just like Flight 587.

4 posted on 06/04/2002 3:19:35 PM PDT by Spiff
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To: Spiff
The center fuel tank on a basement boiler blew up and shot the resultant fire and explosion up through a utility elevator, making it appear that the explosion occurred in the upper floors. This explosion and gasses blew out the windows and gave the appearance, or illusion that an object had flown into the building. In other news, a Boeing jetliner with all on board are still missing....
6 posted on 06/04/2002 3:38:15 PM PDT by umgud
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To: kattracks
More than 300 eyewitnesses saw an ascending streak of fire (as in flare or missile) before the explosion of TWA 800. The FBI said they were all mistaken.
7 posted on 06/04/2002 3:42:40 PM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: kattracks
I never used to believe in conspiracy's for the sake of "keeping us calm" because it seems so stupid. But after all the recent hype over a movie (sum of all fears) I am beginning to wonder.

You know, the only people who would run around like headless chickens are the same ones who refused to listen to the warnings and believe this could happen in the first place.

Maybe we should all conspire and lie to them so they will shut up and stop whining already. It's beginning to wear thin.

8 posted on 06/04/2002 3:42:43 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: *AA Flight 587
*Index Bump
9 posted on 06/04/2002 5:09:34 PM PDT by Fish out of Water
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To: kattracks
You know, airplanes do just crash by accident sometimes.

Since the engines of this flight were ripped off before the crash by presumably g-loads and gyroscopic forces, it would kind of make sense that there was a fire in the vicinity of the ripped off fuel lines.

Duh.

There are so many reasons why this crash IS NOT a terrorist action. And why it would be obvious if it were.

Someone please explain to me how you get the horizontal stablizer to depart the airplane, leaving its attach bolts in place, by some kind of terrorist action. And at the same time, leave no cut marks on the attach point stubs left behind.

Come on people. If this thing had happened in Los Angeles, no one would have thought anything about it.

Now flight 800, that's another story. And it was Bill Clinton's presidency, right before the Olympics. Plenty of reason to cover something up.

10 posted on 06/04/2002 5:22:53 PM PDT by narby
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To: Shermy
What is so secret about the tape is that the press knew about it and mentioned it. And the NTSB guy at the press conference looked P.O'd because no-one was supposed to know about it. Not to mention that there are two tapes.
11 posted on 06/04/2002 5:23:20 PM PDT by Darksheare
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To: kattracks
I still think there's a big difference between TWA 800 and AA 587. TWA 800 was almost certainly brought down by a missile. The published evidence is overwhelming. There have been no such smoking guns with AA 587. It could have been sabotage, but the witnesses didn't see any signs of a missile, and unlike that fishy center fuel tank story, there was considerable evidence of funny business at the French assembly plant, with prior delamination of the vertical tail assembly and a jury-rigged repair.

In other words, on the evidence so far, one case was a coverup and the other is still a mystery.

12 posted on 06/04/2002 5:28:36 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: kattracks
Bump!
13 posted on 06/04/2002 5:45:07 PM PDT by The Mayor
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To: kattracks
You always have the BEST posts, thanks!

I still think terrorism was involved. I will never believe otherwise!

14 posted on 06/04/2002 6:17:09 PM PDT by buffyt
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To: Cicero
True, but it is a hell of a mystery. Contrary to one poster's claim, the engines left the plane somewhat after it was thoroughly out of control, and were proabably ripped off by air load on the cowlings - same reason the tail came off.

It is also well-documented that Al Quaida ops experimented with improvised explosives. They killed a Japanese businessman and nearly crashed the whole plane in that case. Plus we have the recent shoe bomber. This flight was on its way to the Dominican Republic, and would have been carrying lots of very random stuff like small appliances and electronics for the folks back home. It would also be fairly easy for an African Moslem to pass for a Dominican (there were no obvious Moslems on the passenger list). Plus there is the timing (UNGA in town, Bush the day before)and location - almost within sight of the UN building and Ground Zero.

Then there is the direct evidence of coverup. Numerous bogus "explanations" were placed with the press, among them: Old engine (proved wrong), bird strike (proved wrong), wake turbulence (proved wrong), cheese (still in play), thrust reversers (proved wrong). The cheap French plastic tail theory is literally the "center fuel tank explosion" of this crash: No other plane was grounded because of this theory.

It may be a mystery, but when you have an explicit threat against airliners by terrorists, the likeliest solution is the one that came out and said "We will cause more airliner crashes."

15 posted on 07/07/2002 10:06:52 AM PDT by eno_
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