Posted on 06/02/2002 12:55:15 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
I believe that there was an enormous clusterbunny on September the 11th that the terrorists took advantage of. As with Pearl Harbor, we were caught flatfooted. As with Pearl Harbor, there were contradictory orders and clues to an attack that was coming. And, as with Pearl Harbor, the tinfoil hat crowd was out in force. Be Seeing You,
Chris
The delay in getting the interceptors airborne is attributable to the delay in getting the aircraft armed and getting radar tracking data from the FAA (the aircraft turned off their transponders and were flying at low altitude--civil ATC radars would not be able to track them reliably under such conditions).
Even after warnings of potential hijackings are fighters were not prepared?
I also want information on the speed of intercepts dispatched, there seems to be evidence that they were traveling at 1/2 cruise speed- let alone the fact they are capable of traveling at two times cruise speed safely.
"Yeah, there may be a hijacking sometime."
The Feds get a gazillion warnings like this a year.
You have no idea how hard it is on aircrews, ordnance crews, and airframes to maintain aircraft in a war-loaded, launch-ready status.
I also want information on the speed of intercepts dispatched, there seems to be evidence that they were traveling at 1/2 cruise speed- let alone the fact they are capable of traveling at two times cruise speed safely.
This who mess was over in just over one hour. That was just enough time for a few interceptors to get loaded and airborne. One flight was 4 minutes out from the Pentagon when Flight 77 hit. They were running flat out (one of the folks I know in the Chesapeake area told me that they were supersonic over Chesapeake Bay--and that's when he turned on his TV set to find out what was happening).
How much do you know about military aviation operations? I spent eight years in it, three years of it on a base that had a critical NORAD defense mission for the Savannah River nuclear weapons plant. Before you get into an argument about this stuff, make sure you know what you're talking about.
nopardons supposedly has the inside scoop on these financial investigations - at least she says her husband does.
It's funny that this entire article fails to mention the keyword "Clinton" once.
I don't know who put Corn on this mission, but he uses the standard methods to discredit the two - Ruppert and Vreeland, as they've been using for the past 50 years. Ask Dulles.
I suppose the bottom line is: believe whatever your government and media tell you. No thanks.
That is just the point. Give us the information. Give us a complete timeline that has been produced under penalty of perjury.
And what about Bush's trip to Germany prior to 9-11 where they were so concerned there about kamakaze hijackings they had installed AA units on government buildings?
Bottom line is this: The history of feeble and whitewashed congressional investigations has understandably eroded public confidence, and the ever-widening blanket of 'National Security' is sowing distrust. Maybe Joe sixpack is oblivious to this, but people whose concerns involve these areas ARE NOT.
Is pretty interesting that I can buy a transponder to prevent the theft of my sportscar yet in a world full of 'threats of hijackings everyday' the planes can turn off thier transponders at will.
Lethargy, incompetence and lack of initiative can only excuse so much, thereafter an observer is forced to entertain the potential of nefarious elements.
On one hand, you believe that Flight 93 was shot down, and on the other, you believe that the fighters were specifically ordered to not engage the hijacked planes.
Huh?
I'm telling you that there is no "there" there.
It usually takes over an hour to arm aircraft. That Langley AFB managed to get their aircraft armed and airborne in less than an hour is very good work on their part.
And what about Bush's trip to Germany prior to 9-11 where they were so concerned there about kamakaze hijackings they had installed AA units on government buildings?
This is the first I've heard of that statement--and I'm starting to wonder if someone is making these things up.
Bottom line is this: The history of feeble and whitewashed congressional investigations has understandably eroded public confidence, and the ever-widening blanket of 'National Security' is sowing distrust. Maybe Joe sixpack is oblivious to this, but people whose concerns involve these areas ARE NOT.
My concerns involve these areas. However, unlike the armchair quarterback crowd, I actually know what I'm talking about. I understand how air ops work, and I understand how intelligence works. You want to know why Vern and Earl get caught trying to bomb the federal building, and Mohammed and Abdul don't get caught? It's simple: Mohammed and Abdul know to keep their silly mouths shut, and Vern and Earl tell half the county what they're planning to do.
Is pretty interesting that I can buy a transponder to prevent the theft of my sportscar yet in a world full of 'threats of hijackings everyday' the planes can turn off thier transponders at will.
Yup. The airline pilots can control all emissions from their aircraft. You don't WANT to have a malfunctioning transponder putting out EMI that screws up other gear--like, f'rinstance, GPS, LORAN, or other navigational aids--and not be able to turn it off.
Lethargy, incompetence and lack of initiative can only excuse so much, thereafter an observer is forced to entertain the potential of nefarious elements.
And those who harp, FROM A POSITION OF ABJECT IGNORANCE OF HOW THESE THINGS WORK IN THE REAL WORLD, on "incompetence" and "the potential nefarious elements" can only excuse their ignorance so much.
No - the bottom line is: Vreeland is a life long con-man who's trying to pull off the Grift Of A Lifetime.
Vreeland claims he was sent on a secret mission to Russia in Sept. 2000 - but check the date of this article.
And I'm supposed to believe a guy named Booze? Nice try.
How do we know that they're referring to the same Vreeland if he was an identity theft expert?
The Edwin Booz Company.
Even Vreeland claims he's the target of those articles, but they are libelous, and were fed by Fedgov.
I guess he forgot that the same Fedgov 3 months later "sent him on a super secret mission to Russia" - LOL!
I've made a pun or two in my time, but nothing quite so corny.
Come on Fred, that is pretty thin.
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