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To: mafree
Certain attitudes and actions are considered "acceptable" among many Blacks, including a little more outward vocal and physical expressiveness, which is sometimes misinterpreted as being too loud or even violent by Whites.

Actually, whites often see such behavior among whites -- they call it "white trash". It's not accepted in middle-class white society, but I suspect that black society has not effectively differentiated black middle-class culture from underclass culture.

I suppose what ends up happening is that blacks who join the middle-class, end up adopting the white middle-class culture.

48 posted on 05/30/2002 10:39:22 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: AmishDude
You make a good point, it a difficult one to discuss in America: the behavior and attitude issues of many blacks are class issues, not racial issues.

In white society, those who display similar socially deviant attitudes and behaviors are marginalized and remain stuck in a relatively small lumpenproletariat or underclass. One thinks of England's soccer hooligans.

Members of groups outside of the traditionally white, primarily Anglo-Saxon, middle and upper middle classes, regardless of race, who wish to be accepted and attain the benefits of middle and upper middle class status must expect to conform to the attitudes and behavior norms appropriate for those classes. And, as with accents, it's almost harder because there are those of ill will who look for a 'slip', a reversion to former attitudes or behaviors, as a way to reject the upwardly mobile minorities. That's sad, but you can only ultimately change hearts with goodwill and behavior, not with demands and 'in your fac' behavior.

50 posted on 05/30/2002 10:49:33 AM PDT by CatoRenasci
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To: AmishDude
I suspect that black society has not effectively differentiated black middle-class culture from underclass culture.

Within the race, we do- others outside the race rarely do because race is so much more of an issue than class when it comes to judging Blacks.

I suppose what ends up happening is that blacks who join the middle-class, end up adopting the white middle-class culture.

Some do, some don't.

64 posted on 05/30/2002 12:59:45 PM PDT by mafree
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