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To: moneyrunner
In a free society we don't stand mutely in front of the high table of the Sun King while he eats his meal, required to watch every bite and slobber with admiration.

Let a speaker hold a crowd by his speech, and not jailing those who dissent. In meetings a more regular order is desired than a political speech -- and this was a political speech by Mr. Bush, even though he is the President. So in meetings there is less tolerance of repeated and vociferous speaking out or noising off -- but even in regular meetings some allowance for same should be made. That is if one understands freedom, respects the the minority opinion, and loves Liberty.

But there are some, and in history many, who seek a King that must be heard by all even by force, who desire a Nobility so that crass and discordant opinions may never appear in any public venue.

Those folks -- by the way -- when they are on elevators, sometimes get tips. But generally they are ignored.

22 posted on 05/30/2002 10:01:45 AM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw
”In a free society we don't stand mutely in front of the high table of the Sun King while he eats his meal, required to watch every bite and slobber with admiration.”

Your rant loses something in the translation. There is no Sun King, there was no meal served, and no one was required to watch with admiration. All the speaker and audience expected was that the speaker be allowed to address the audience without being drowned out by disrupters or disrupted by people who grew up to believe that they are the center of the universe.

”Let a speaker hold a crowd by his speech, and not jailing those who dissent.”

You must have taken lessons in sophistry from Reuters. They refer to Palestinians who kill civilians as “activists.” The hooligan in question was not a dissenter, he was a heckler and a disrupter.

” In meetings a more regular order is desired than a political speech -- and this was a political speech by Mr. Bush, even though he is the President. So in meetings there is less tolerance of repeated and vociferous speaking out or noising off -- but even in regular meetings some allowance for same should be made. That is if one understands freedom, respects the the minority opinion, and loves Liberty.”

You have it backward. Meetings are a more appropriate venue for rough and tumble debate. At a formal speech, we are expected to listen. We are not invited to participate. The first thing that totalitarians of every stripe do is send hooligans to opposition meetings and speeches to disrupt. Grow up. Shouting down a speaker and heckling is not an exercise in free speech, it is an exercise of brutality. It is the mark of the totalitarian who uses the tendency of most people to avoid conflict to inflict his will on the majority. It is the method by which Leftists have come to dominate the Universities: the willingness to be uncivil to cow the majority who value civility.

I have nothing but contempt for those who hijack the venue of others to bray their own stupidities.

33 posted on 05/30/2002 12:08:13 PM PDT by moneyrunner
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