Posted on 05/28/2002 4:07:09 PM PDT by Dave S
Prostitution is NOT a " victimless " crime. Let's forget, for the moment, what frequenting whores does to the family members of the " John ". Streetwalkers , just like dope dealers, and yes, carwindow washers, disrupt and harm a community. It's the old " broken window " and graffitti quality of life thingy. I guess that you think that legalizing prostitution would get whores off the street and into posh bordellos. You must live in a parralell universe, where everyone is reasonable, rational, brilliant, and oh so personally responsible. That's not what REAL life is like. Libertarians lack common sense and refuse to ever admit that their assumptions leave out millenial old knowledge of human nature.
The actual topic, BTW, of this thread, is about the now self outing of the true Libertarian position of spoiler. In reality, the LP is nothing more than a group of spoiled little kids, who , since they can't ever be the leader , want the WORST possible , very unConservative goal of Dem hedgemony. They'd have supported Hitler and Nazi goons too, I suppose . Waaaaaa, waaaa, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ... since Libertarians can't ever win a high elected position, then let the worst possible , most antifreedom candidates run everything. With such political geniuses making LP policy, Libertarians more than deserve the sorn and calumny heaped upon them by REAL Conservatives ! : - )
You said, "You can't judge one's voting record if they have none."
But they do have some. What difference does it make if the voting records are that of a State Assemblyman or a Congressman. Either the votes are congruous with individual rights, free-market capitalism, and private property or they're not. That is what's important. People who consistently vote for agriculture subsidies, government education, and gun-control do not belong in office.
Ross Perot had more than $ going for him, at that time. Before he "lost it." LP had been around for 20 years when he came on the scene-politically.Left them in the dust.
Ross Perot used $20-million of his own money to purchase half-hour blocks of TV time to run his infomercials. In addition, he was allowed into the debates and the Libertarian candidate was not despite being on the ballot in all 50 states.
Infidelity where no money is exchanged is often more devastating to a family - shall we throw cheaters in jail? Or if a "John" can prove to a court he's not married, he should be set free?
Only people who harm others belong in prison. I don't care how much damage they inflict on themselves. If they harmed no one they do not belong in prison. If they harmed another then they do. Wether or not they have a drug problem is irrelevant.
Prostitution is NOT a " victimless " crime.
Of course it is. Prostitution takes place between consenting adults. There is no coercive force involved. No fraud. There is no perpetrator and no victim.
They'd have supported Hitler and Nazi goons too, I suppose.
Uh, no. But, since you brought it up, the interventionist foreign policy of the US played a role in Hitler's rise to power.
Difficult to judge someone's voting record on RKBA in many cases. Abscence/prescence of a voting record at the local, state level doesn't mean too much, unless important issues of RKBA came along
As for Barr voting for all that other stuff? It would have passed anyway. He was one of the few that went after Klinton early on. Thus, he earned their hatred and now they are trying to pay him back. First gerrymandering his District so he must face Linder. Then a massive spending campaign. Will it be enough to trash him? Why help the Dems?
As for Perot? Sure $$ can't hurt. However, LP just wasn't connecting in 1992 (still ain't). He came along and BOOM! Perhaps if/when LP gets a strong candidate? Certainly not Harry Browne. He still thinks Ho Chi Minh was a democrat.
IMO? LP should work to gain strength in Republican Party via Liberty Cmte. Mechanism already in place. It is well known that if LP is going to draw additional voters, they will come from the Republican Party in most cases. Does the DNC have a "Liberty Cmte." (Libertarians) in their ranks?
Lastly, back to GA. B. Barr is supported by GOA/NRA and conservatives everywhere. The Georgia militia supports him. I hate to see him get tossed over the side for something we know will never pass (in GEORGIA?HA!) and that is, legalization or even decrease in prosecutions of drug offenses. Just won't happen. We are a nation at war. Such things get put on the back burner in times like these.
Felons on the streets can cost taxpayers up to $400K per annum via their crimes. At $30 per annum to "house" them? We are getting a bargain...
Yes, it has been a long week ; however , my horrible, battery run keyboard often has a will of its own. I also am perfectly abysmal at catching my own typos and as well as the ones I have no control over. I really am quite sorry that my post was so difficult for you to read.
I'm forced to ask what felons are doing on the street and why they're not in prison.
Of course, if you consider felons to include non-violent drug offenders then of course the thing to do is decriminalize drugs so the criminal black-market in drugs and gang warfare will go away. Then it will cost neither $400k or $30k. It will free up hundreds of thousands of prison cells in which to put violent criminals like murderers, rapists, and child molesters.
Of course it is. Prostitution takes place between consenting adults. There is no coercive force involved. No fraud. There is no perpetrator and no victim.
Prostitution is the kind of "victimless" crime that brings neighborhoods down and drives good people away. Drunk stoned men looking for sex harass and come after innocent women while addict hookers pester men. Don't forget the pimp slavemasters or the runaway children who work in this fine Libertarian occupation.
Wow a Libertarian complaining about the free market. Will wonders ever cease?
You know what Alan, your "uber-support" for the LP is a characture of what you are supposedly "against".
You are morphing into Hillary.
Prostitution belongs indoors, not on the streets. It is on the streets precisely because it is illegal to operate a brothel.
"Drunk stoned men looking for sex harass and come after innocent women..."
...and should be arrested and imprisoned for assault and maybe even attempted rape.
Don't forget the pimp slavemasters or the runaway children who work in this fine Libertarian occupation.
Unless somebody has been coercively forced to participate in prostitution your "pimp slavemasters" argument is irrelevant. If somebody voluntarily subjects themselves to that kind of lifestyle then I'm afraid you have no cause to interfere.
As for children, anyone having sex with children should be brought up on rape and molestation charges and put in prison.
BTW, welcome to FR.
Where did I complain about the free-market?
You know what Alan, your "uber-support" for the LP is a characture of what you are supposedly "against".
Huh?
Uh with this quote in your(Alan Chapman's) reply #63,
Ross Perot used $20-million of his own money to purchase half-hour blocks of TV time to run his infomercials. In addition, he was allowed into the debates and the Libertarian candidate was not despite being on the ballot in all 50 states.
Alan acting ignorant is no excuse.
How is that complaining about the free-market? I'm not even certain you're cognitive of the context in which I made that statement.
Once again Alan, here is your quote from reply #63,
Ross Perot used $20-million of his own money to purchase half-hour blocks of TV time to run his infomercials. In addition, he was allowed into the debates and the Libertarian candidate was not despite being on the ballot in all 50 states.
Wow! Alan, you seem to be complaining about Perot buying his way on to the political scene. Yep Perot bought his way on to the scene(with a little help from Larry King).
I will criticize Perot for being an irrational crackpot(who helped elect Clinton), but I won't criticize him for using his own money.
This exchange is amazing. I am being more "Libertaraian" than you are. Alan maybe you should lay off the weed.
Once again, Dane, how does that have anything to do with complaing about the free-market?
Adultery used to be a crime, dear. Anyone who wants to go back to the state of the nation, at the time of its inception, should also , then, logically want to reinsert that law as well. : - )
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