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Has someone been sitting on the FBI? (FBI Ordered Not To Investigate Saudis)
BBC Transcript ^ | November 6, 2001 | BBC NewsNight

Posted on 05/28/2002 10:22:09 AM PDT by OKCSubmariner

GREG PALAST:

The CIA and Saudi Arabia, the Bushes and the Bin Ladens. Did their connections cause America to turn a blind eye to terrorism?

UNNAMED MAN:

There is a hidden agenda at the very highest levels of our government.

JOE TRENTO, (AUTHOR, "SECRET HISTORY OF THE CIA"):

The sad thing is that thousands of Americans had to die needlessly.

PETER ELSNER:

How can it be that the former President of the US and the current President of the US have business dealings with characters that need to be investigated?

PALAST:

In the eight weeks since the attacks, over 1,000 suspects and potential witnesses have been detained. Yet, just days after the hijackers took off from Boston aiming for the Twin Towers, a special charter flight out of the same airport whisked 11 members of Osama Bin Laden's family off to Saudi Arabia. That did not concern the White House.

Their official line is that the Bin Ladens are above suspicion - apart from Osama, the black sheep, who they say hijacked the family name. That's fortunate for the Bush family and the Saudi royal household, whose links with the Bin Ladens could otherwise prove embarrassing. But Newsnight has obtained evidence that the FBI was on the trail of other members of the] Bin Laden family for links to terrorist organisations before and after September 11th.

This document is marked "Secret". Case ID - 199-Eye WF 213 589. 199 is FBI code for case type. 9 would be murder. 65 would be espionage. 199 means national security. WF indicates Washington field office special agents were investigating ABL - because of it's relationship with the World Assembly of Muslim Youth, WAMY - a suspected terrorist organisation. ABL is Abdullah Bin Laden, president and treasurer of WAMY.

This is the sleepy Washington suburb of Falls Church, Virginia where almost every home displays the Stars and Stripes. On this unremarkable street, at 3411 Silver Maple Place, we located the former home of Abdullah and another brother, Omar, also an FBI suspect. It's conveniently close to WAMY. The World Assembly of Muslim Youth is in this building, in a little room in the basement at 5613 Leesburg Pike. And here, just a couple blocks down the road at 5913 Leesburg, is where four of the hijackers that attacked New York and Washington are listed as having lived.

The US Treasury has not frozen WAMY's assets, and when we talked to them, they insisted they are a charity. Yet, just weeks ago, Pakistan expelled WAMY operatives. And India claimed that WAMY was funding an organisation linked to bombings in Kashmir. And the Philippines military has accused WAMY of funding Muslim insurgency. The FBI did look into WAMY, but, for some reason, agents were pulled off the trail.

TRENTO:

The FBI wanted to investigate these guys. This is not something that they didn't want to do - they wanted to, they weren't permitted to.

PALAST:

The secret file fell into the hands of national security expert, Joe Trento. The Washington spook-tracker has been looking into the FBI's allegations about WAMY. TRENTO:

They've had connections to Osama Bin Laden's people. They've had connections to Muslim cultural and financial aid groups that have terrorist connections. They fit the pattern of groups that the Saudi royal family and Saudi community of princes - the 20,000 princes - have funded who've engaged in terrorist activity.

Now, do I know that WAMY has done anything that's illegal? No, I don't know that. Do I know that as far back as 1996 the FBI was very concerned about this organisation? I do.

PALAST:

Newsnight has uncovered a long history of shadowy connections between the State Department, the CIA and the Saudis. The former head of the American visa bureau in Jeddah is Michael Springman. MICHAEL SPRINGMAN:

In Saudi Arabia I was repeatedly ordered by high level State Dept officials to issue visas to unqualified applicants. These were, essentially, people who had no ties either to Saudi Arabia or to their own country. I complained bitterly at the time there. I returned to the US, I complained to the State Dept here, to the General Accounting Office, to the Bureau of Diplomatic Security and to the Inspector General's office. I was met with silence.

PALAST:

By now, Bush Sr, once CIA director, was in the White House. Springman was shocked to find this wasn't visa fraud. Rather, State and CIA were playing "the Great Game".

SPRINGMAN:

What I was protesting was, in reality, an effort to bring recruits, rounded up by Osama Bin Laden, to the US for terrorist training by the CIA. They would then be returned to Afghanistan to fight against the then-Soviets.

The attack on the World Trade Center in 1993 did not shake the State Department's faith in the Saudis, nor did the attack on American barracks at Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia three years later, in which 19 Americans died. FBI agents began to feel their investigation was being obstructed. Would you be surprised to find out that FBI agents are a bit frustrated that they can't be looking into some Saudi connections?

MICHAEL WILDES, ( LAWYER)

I would never be surprised with that. They're cut off at the hip sometimes by supervisors or given shots that are being called from Washington at the highest levels.

PALAST:

I showed lawyer Michael Wildes our FBI documents. One of the Khobar Towers bombers was represented by Wildes, who thought he had useful intelligence for the US. He also represents a Saudi diplomat who defected to the USA with 14,000 documents which Wildes claims implicates Saudi citizens in financing terrorism and more. Wildes met with FBI men who told him they were not permitted to read all the documents. Nevertheless, he tried to give them to the agents.

WILDES:

"Take these with you. We're not going to charge for the copies. Keep them. Do something with them. Get some bad guys with them." They refused.

PALAST:

In the hall of mirrors that is the US intelligence community, Wildes, a former US federal attorney, said the FBI field agents wanted the documents, but they were told to "see no evil."

WILDES:

You see a difference between the rank-and-file counter-intelligence agents, who are regarded by some as the motor pool of the FBI, who drive following diplomats, and the people who are getting the shots called at the highest level of our government, who have a different agenda - it's unconscionable.

PALAST:

State wanted to keep the pro-American Saudi royal family in control of the world's biggest oil spigot, even at the price of turning a blind eye to any terrorist connection so long as America was safe. In recent years, CIA operatives had other reasons for not exposing Saudi-backed suspects.

TRENTO:

If you recruited somebody who is a member of a terrorist organisation, who happens to make his way here to the US, and even though you're not in touch with that person anymore but you have used him in the past, it would be unseemly if he were arrested by the FBI and word got back that he'd once been on the payroll of the CIA. What we're talking about is blow-back. What we're talking about is embarrassing, career-destroying blow-back for intelligence officials.

PALAST:

Does the Bush family also have to worry about political blow-back? The younger Bush made his first million 20 years ago with an oil company partly funded by Salem Bin Laden's chief US representative. Young George also received fees as director of a subsidiary of Carlyle Corporation, a little known private company which has, in just a few years of its founding, become one of Americas biggest defence contractors. His father, Bush Senior, is also a paid advisor. And what became embarrassing was the revelation that the Bin Ladens held a stake in Carlyle, sold just after September 11.

ELSNER:

You have a key relationship between the Saudis and the former President of the US who happens to be the father of the current President of the US. And you have all sorts of questions about where does policy begin and where does good business and good profits for the company, Carlyle, end?

PALAST:

I received a phone call from a high-placed member of a US intelligence agency. He tells me that while there's always been constraints on investigating Saudis, under George Bush it's gotten much worse. After the elections, the agencies were told to "back off" investigating the Bin Ladens and Saudi royals, and that angered agents. I'm told that since September 11th the policy has been reversed. FBI headquarters told us they could not comment on our findings. A spokesman said: "There are lots of things that only the intelligence community knows and that no-one else ought to know.


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: 911attacks; binladen; cia; clinton; espionagelist; fbi; gwbush; terrorwar
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To: OKCSubmariner
Thanks for the ping.
21 posted on 05/28/2002 11:50:18 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: OKCSubmariner
Well, I thank you for the Kudos, but I was just following my inquisitive nature. Others deserve thanks too for having it available to be found.

...for helping to sustain the life of our country...
Isn't that what it is all about? Isn't that what it has been about?
I want to stand before G_d with a clear conscience that I did my part.

Not on my watch!

22 posted on 05/28/2002 12:03:58 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: OKCSubmariner
After watching the news today, I had a thought pop into my head. I thought about it, and decided to do some research on Jordan. The more I read, the more I felt that Osama Bin Laden is in Amman Jordan. Here are my reasons, outside of the bizarre idea popping into my head.

1. Jordan is close to Egypt, which is also acessible to the sea. Egypt is sympathetic to anyone who is anti-jew, and especially supportive of Osama Bin Laden. Osama would have access to the ocean to escape to any country by boat.

2. Jordan's chief exports are fertilizers, and other farm related merchandise. His father owned Farm Equipment and sold them. This would be a way to funnel money to Osama. This would also be a way for Osama to get his hands on Nitrates to build fertilizer bombs which could be potentially transported to any place in the world by boat. Jordan also has access to nuclear technologies, or could by them from Saudi Arabia. These technologies would be able to be bought by Bin Laden, or a sympathizer with little problem, provided the price was right.

3. Jordan is 92% Sunni Muslim.

4. Jordan is close to Saudi Arabia, and it would be easy for him to get resources sent to him through sales of goods from Jordan, as well as Saudi Arabia. Much like money laundering, it could be hidden through companies who are sympathetic to Bin Laden's cause, or owned by the Bin Laden Family. Not to mention their cheif exports are agricultural fertilizers, and farm implements.

5. The Jordanian Army is large, and would be able to keep American forces occupied while he made his escape if he is indeed being hosted by the Jordanian government.

6. Jordan is one of the last places that our people would ever look for him.

7. Bin Laden escaped Afghanistan during one of the many surrenders that bought him time to flee. Either that, or Bin Laden was never there in the first place.

I honestly feel that if the CIA looked at Jordan, it's possible that Bin Laden, or someone very close to him is there, who might be able to locate him. Osama is part of a prominent family is Saudi Arabia, and as we all know blood is thicker than water. I feel very positive he still has contacts with them, as it would be necessary for him to be able to gather resources to either fight or flee. With access to large airports, the ability to launder money through exports, and imports of Farm Equipment, An accessible harbor to the sea, close to Saudi supporters, Jordan to me seems one of the most likely areas to hide. Especially since Jordan isn't in the news at all lately.

23 posted on 05/28/2002 12:59:54 PM PDT by MadRobotArtist
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To: Native American Female Vet; Uncle Bill
It sure would be interesting if Uncle Bill or someone that's Ace on searching linked the FR articles done on Mueller when he was nominated, as a Separate Posting like UNCLE BILL does sometimes, wouldn't it? ;-) ;-) nod nod

Huh?

24 posted on 05/28/2002 1:11:08 PM PDT by rdavis84
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To: Native American Female Vet
Good work, Vet!
25 posted on 05/28/2002 1:19:55 PM PDT by rdavis84
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To: Sinkspur
When you're off break, could you give your unbiased input to the info on this thread?

We'd appreciate it, sir.

26 posted on 05/28/2002 1:23:03 PM PDT by rdavis84
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To: rdavis84
Here is one thread I did some research on about him.

Justice Department veteran front-runner for FBI post, sources say

I have been speaking out against Mueller from day one. When I found that Mueller said there was nothing to "Whitewater" before Clinton won the presidency...I knew he was THE CYA man

27 posted on 05/28/2002 1:24:15 PM PDT by Native American Female Vet
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To: rdavis84,Philman_36, Native American Female Vet,glorygirl,MizSterious,Spar,Uncle Bill,honway,aris
The FBI documents referred to in the BBC program were obtained by the National Security News Service in Washington DC.

Marine Colonel Roger Charles of Arlington Virginia, who once worked for the staff of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, worked for the National Security News Service in DC when they did a story on Admiral Boorda's medals before his death. Charles has been doing much work for the BBC for several years.

Charles is also known to the former Pentagon terror advisor I alluded to in my original post. They both worked on the OKC bombing investigation with Stephen Jones to get information about the FBI and CIA and White House HAndling of the OKC bombing.

I believe it is a distinct possiblity that Roger Charles and perhaps even the Pentagon terror advisor know about the transfer of these FBI docs to Joe Trento (knwon to the terror advisor) and the BBC from the National Security News Service in DC and FBI/CIA agents.

28 posted on 05/28/2002 1:33:13 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: Fred Mertz
Please see reply #28. Thanks.
29 posted on 05/28/2002 1:36:02 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: OKCSubmariner; Native American Female Vet
Here's  a bit more on Mueller from an Uncle Bill reply to Native American Female Vet ---

BCCI AND LAW ENFORCEMENT

"We are responsible, ethical prosecutors. We will not indict simply to get favorable press coverage or to quiet our critics. We require evidence sufficient to prove a crime beyond a reasonable doubt, and we will not indict if that evidence does not exist . . . It is premature to assess our performance. We cannot even respond fully to criticism, because we cannot reveal grand jury proceedings or the details of our investigations. Our record when the investigations and prosecutions have concluded will speak for itself. . . a fair review of the available facts will show that the Department of Justice has done an excellent job on the BCCI investigations, and that the criticisms of the Department are fundamentally unfair.(2)" - Robert S. Mueller III - Assistant Attorney General with prepared testimony before Subcommittee on November 21, 1991.
2. S. Hrg. 102-350 Pt. 3 p. 789.

..."Various officials at the Justice Department provided different explanations as to why the information was not followed-up on. Assistant Attorney General Mueller "passed the buck" to the Federal Reserve, noting that "the essence of the information. . . regarding the allegations of secret ownership was passed on to the Federal Reserve after the October 1988 takedown of the undercover case." Quoting from the Federal Reserve General Counsel Virgil Mattingly's testimony before the Subcommittee, Mueller claimed the Federal Reserve disregarded the information as "the kind of allegation [that] they had heard before."

..."Then, suddenly, on August 22, Dennis Saylor, chief assistant to Assistant Attorney General Mueller, called Lehtinen and, according to the US Attorney, "indicated to me that I was directed not to return the indictment."(89)"

"At no time, to my knowledge, has anyone from the CIA, or any agency, attempted to obstruct or interfere with the Department of Justice's investigation and prosecution of BCCI.(128)"
Robert S. Mueller III

31 posted on 05/28/2002 1:59:50 PM PDT by rdavis84
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To: OKCSubmariner; Native American Female Vet
In Short, the One Sitting On the FBI is Mueller.

It's his M.O. He's protecting his sponsors!

32 posted on 05/28/2002 2:03:37 PM PDT by rdavis84
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To: rdavis84
YEP!!!
33 posted on 05/28/2002 2:09:51 PM PDT by Native American Female Vet
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To: OKCSubmariner
SADDAM'S FINGERPRINTS ON 1993 N.Y. BOMBINGS - Nuke Em'

The Wall Street Journal | June 28, 1993 | By Laurie Mylroie

Posted on 9/16/01 1:33 AM Pacific by Uncle Bill

Saddam's Fingerprints on N.Y. Bombings

The Wall Street Journal

By Laurie Mylroie

June 28, 1993

34 posted on 05/28/2002 2:45:34 PM PDT by Native American Female Vet
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To: Philman_36,Native American Female Vet,Free the USA,Spar,Carry_Okie,Senator Pardek,Donald Stone, T
Another proof that the FBI and CIA and DOJ have been ordered off teh Saudis by Clinton and Bush (from the article below):

"The Saudi relationship is so sensitive that, for more than a decade, federal prosecutors and counter-terrorist agents have been ordered to shut down their investigations for reasons of foreign policy."

The Tale of an American Terrorist Network

Arutz 7 | May 29, 2002 | John Loftus

Link:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/691332/posts

Posted on 5/29/02 9:21 AM Pacific by Nachum

For twenty years I have served without compensation as a lawyer for federal whistleblowers within the US intelligence community. In the last year, I have received highly classified information from several of my confidential clients concerning a Saudi covert operation. The Saudi relationship is so sensitive that, for more than a decade, federal prosecutors and counter-terrorist agents have been ordered to shut down their investigations for reasons of foreign policy.

I am filing a lawsuit in Hillsborough County Court to expose the manner in which Florida charities were used as a money laundering operation for tax-deductible terrorism. The complaint cites specific testimony, including highly classified information which has never been released before.

The government of Saudi Arabia was laundering money through Florida charities run by University of South Florida professor Sami Al-Arian, for the support of terrorist groups in the Middle East. Through the Al-Arian network and others, the Saudi Government secretly funded Al-Qaida, Hamas and Islamic Jihad. The Saudi purpose was twofold: the destruction of the State of Israel and the prevention of the formation of an independent Palestinian State.

Two particular terrorist groups, Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, were specifically chosen and funded by the Saudis for their willingness to undermine Arafat’s Palestinian Authority. The secret Saudi goal was to create such animosity between Israel and the Palestinian Authority that it would wreck any chance for the creation of an independent Palestinian State. Their tactics specifically called for the intimidation or murder of those Palestinians who were willing to work with Israel for peace.

To put it bluntly, the covert Saudi network in Florida funded the murders of fellow Muslims for the crime of wanting to create the first democratic Arab state. Whatever harm the Israelis may have done, they did build an excellent public education system, including several universities, for the benefit of their Palestinian neighbors. That was the problem.

While literacy in the Arab world is below 50%, in Israel it is 97%. Israel is the only place in the Middle East where an Arab woman can vote. After 50 years, Israel has created the first Arab class exposed to democracy, literacy and western values.

To the Saudis, a democratic Palestinian nation would be a cancer in the Arab world, a destabilizing example of freedom that would threaten Arab dictators everywhere. As King Fahd has said, “next to the Jews, we hate the Palestinians the most.” The harder the Israelis and Palestinians worked for peace, the more money King Fahd poured into his murder for hire program.

The Saudi Government has already begun its spin operations, claiming that this terror network was a rogue operation financed by a radical Saudi businessman without the support or knowledge of the Saudi Government. The truth is that many of the Saudi Princes, notably Prince Bandahar and Prince Alwaheed, are good and loyal friends of America who want to lead Saudi Arabia into the modern world. Unfortunately, they are now in the minority in their own country.

King Fahd is on his death bed, and his nephew and heir apparent, Crown Prince Abdullah, depends on the most radical southern and eastern clans for his political base. The southern faction is the center of popular support for Al-Qaida and the Taliban, because it is the home of the most extreme Muslim sect, the Wahabbis. Ninety nine percent of the Muslim world rejects the Wahabbi religious tenets as utterly repugnant to the teachings and examples of the Prophet as written down in the Hadith. Since most Wahabbis are functionally illiterate, they cannot read about this conflict on their own. Typically, they memorize a few passages of the Koran taken out of context, and never read the accompanying Hadith for explanation.

For example, the Wahabbis are taught by rote that Jews are sub-humans, who should be killed as a religious duty. In contrast, the Hadith explains that the prophet Mohammed honored Jews, married a Jewish wife, forbade forced conversions of Jews, always bowed in respect when a Jewish funeral passed and promised that good and faithful Jews would go to Paradise just as good Muslims and Christians would, and that the Jews would have their Holy Place in the west (meaning Jerusalem) while Muslims would have their Holy Place in the East (meaning Mecca).

Illiteracy is a weapon of oppression. The Saudis, and their Wahabbi proteges, the Taliban, have decreed that women cannot work or even sit in the front seat of a car. In contrast, the Hadith records that the Prophet worked for his wife and that she drove her own caravans in international commerce. The Wahabbis (both in Saudi Arabia and among the Taliban) discriminate viciously against women. The Prophet, who lovingly raised three daughters, insisted that women should have substantially equal rights in contract, ownership, and divorce. The prophet forbade racism, the Wahabbis practice it, especially against their non-Arab, Shiite minority..

The Muslim faith envisioned by the Prophet in the Koran and recorded by his contemporaries in the Hadith is a religion that practices tolerance towards all races and religions, stresses the extreme importance of literacy and education and elevates the status of women to unprecedented levels in many societies. This is the gentle, peaceful Muslim faith practiced everywhere in the world, except in Saudi Arabia and the Taliban provinces of Afghanistan and Pakistan. Muslim scholars speak derisively about the primitive Wahabbi apostasy, but rarely in public.

The reason for this deafening silence is simple, most mosques in the world are impoverished and depend upon Saudi subsidies for their operation. In return, however, the Saudis have gained a foothold for proselytizing and radicalizing the Muslim youth through religious education in the form of militant Wahabbism. Children learn to hate because they are being taught that way.

The Saudi charitable network in America that began with religious education evolved into other areas over the decades. The Saudis dabbled with funding anti-Semitic hate groups as a means of breaking down American support for Israel. After the fall of communism, the Saudis took over funding the most militant terror organizations for direct attacks against Jewish and Palestinian supporters of the peace process.

Year after year, members of the intelligence community warned that a rising wave of terror was coming. Oliver North wrote in his autobiography that every time he tried to do something about terrorism, he was told to stop because it would embarrass the Saudi Government. John O’Neill quit his job as head of FBI counter-terrorism for the same reason. Jonathan Pollard went to jail. Federal agents in Tampa, who had known about the Saudi-Sami Al-Arian connection since 1990, were ordered to drop the investigation in 1995. The Saudi influence buying machine had effectively shut down any threat of criminal prosecution. Those Americans, including a former president, who lobbied for the Saudis have a lot to answer for. So do the Saudis.

With the explosive growth of Al-Qaida and their Taliban allies, the Saudis finally recognized that they had gone too far. As Osama Bin Laden laughingly related on videotape, he was approached prior to the attack on the Twin Towers by his relatives, who offered him $300,000,000 to cancel the operation. Apparently, the Bin Laden family really had not broken off all ties and knew exactly what was coming. So, my clients say, did the Saudis.

Six months later, a much chagrined Prince Abdullah belatedly announced that the Saudis would release the names of the terrorists which their charities had “unwittingly” funded, but only in Somalia and Asia. The main Saudi charities in Herndon, Virginia, and the Al-Arian network in Florida are still untouched.

My clients are betting that the American influence peddlers hired by the Saudis will succeed once again in derailing a federal investigation. They came to me for help in exposing the cover-up. That is why I am filing this lawsuit.

In the months to come, the American public may finally begin to learn why the Saudi-Sami Al-Arian terror networks went untouched for so long. It wasn’t an intelligence failure, it was a foreign policy failure. The orders were not to embarrass the Saudi government. Year after year, the cover-up orders came from the State Department and the White House. The CIA, the FBI and the Justice Department just did what they were told.

No one intended the harsh consequences of letting the Saudi’s get away with it again and again. Only after September 11, when the Treasury Department found the financial transactions linking the Saudi charities directly to Osama bin Laden, did American officials realize the extent of their betrayal.

We are not alone in our grief and anger. Saudi money sabotaged every Israeli initiative to make peace. The bewildered Palestinians may finally realize that they have been stabbed in the back by an Arab brother. The rules have changed after September 11, but the bottom line remains the same: if we want to stop terrorism, we have to tell the Saudis to stop funding it.

---------------------------------- John Loftus, author of the best-selling Secret Wars Against the Jews, is an attorney.

38 posted on 05/29/2002 7:25:40 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: OKCSubmariner;Fred Mertz;aristeides;iwentsouth;infowars;lawdog;NativeAmericanFemaleVet
Oakie,I get so weary!

I've been googling all day.

Matching up "Carlyle" with a lot of bad stuff.

What price will I personally pay for the biggest intelligence failure in American history?

I don't know, but if the American perps think that they can run to the bunkers and come out later, and we will forgive them, they are mistaken.

There will be enough survivers to remember who caused this,and they will "vote" their verdict!

39 posted on 05/29/2002 8:16:29 PM PDT by Betty Jo
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To: philman_36
Thank you for the video!
40 posted on 05/29/2002 8:35:36 PM PDT by Betty Jo
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