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To: Goldhammer
There's nothing fundamentally wrong with the Novus Ordo. The translations into English are abominable, largely due to the influence of liberal bishops in the American Bishop's Conference, who have backed the cretins at ICEL. I agree that the old Mass was preferable. It grew up gradually and organically over many centuries, whereas the Novus Ordo was established by fiat.

Strangely, none of this was mandated by Vatican II, which advocated continuance of the use of Latin and also advocated use of Gregorian Chant. Rather, the liberals kidnapped the council and misrepresented it for their own purposes.

I still remember the first words of the old Mass as an altar server. I quote from memory, so they may not be exact:

Introibo ad altare Dei. Ad Deum qui laetificat juventutem meam.

It is, of course, biblical, from the Psalms. Many Protestants would be surprised how biblical the Mass is.

13 posted on 05/26/2002 7:46:26 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: Cicero
There's nothing fundamentally wrong with the Novus Ordo.

There's nothing wrong with the Novus Ordo, period.

Peripherals have crept in, some good, some bad. I see nothing wrong with cultural traditions, such as the Mexican Quincianera, being acclimated to the Liturgy.

Latin is simply not going to return to the mainstream liturgical celebrations of the Catholic Church, in America, or France, or Mexico, or anywhere else.

I'm all for granting those who wish to celebrate the Tridentine Mass the opportunity to do so. But the Novus Ordo is determinative. Celebrate it in Latin on occasion, but Catholics in America are not demanding a return to a Latin liturgy.

15 posted on 05/26/2002 7:57:43 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Cicero
I still remember the first words of the old Mass as an altar server. I quote from memory, so they may not be exact: Introibo ad altare Dei. Ad Deum qui laetificat juventutem meam.

There is a power and majesty and grace in the Latin mass phrases. There is a beauty there that seems watered down in English. But understanding what's going on is also important!

22 posted on 05/26/2002 8:19:57 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Cicero

“There’s nothing fundamentally wrong with the Novus Ordo.”

I apologize for confronting, but there most certainly is a great deal wrong with it.

Analogy: if a person needs 400 mgs of tetracycline to cure strep throat, the Nooey Gooey mass is about 4 mgs.


114 posted on 01/15/2014 9:13:35 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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