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Oil Experts Draw Fire for Warning
Associated Press ^ | Friday, May 24, 2002 | BRUCE STANLEY

Posted on 05/24/2002 5:57:53 PM PDT by Dog Gone

UPPSALA, Sweden (AP) -- Global supplies of crude oil will peak as early as 2010 and then start to decline, ushering in an era of soaring energy prices and economic upheaval -- or so said an international group of petroleum specialists meeting Friday.

They hope to persuade oil-dependent countries like the United States to stop what they view as a squandering the planet's finite bounty of fossil fuels.

Americans, as the biggest consumers of energy, could suffer a particularly harsh impact on their lifestyle, warned participants in the two-day conference on oil depletion that began Thursday at Uppsala University in Uppsala, Sweden.

``There is no factual data to support the general sense that the world will be awash in cheap oil forever,'' said Matthew Simmons, an investment banker who helped advise President Bush's campaign on energy policy. ``We desperately need to find a new form of energy.''

Colin Campbell, a retired geologist who helped organize the conference, argued that governments are too caught up in short-term issues to focus on the long-term threat of depleted oil reserves. Oil companies prefer not to talk about it for fear of upsetting their investors, he said.

Their warning defies the more commonly held view that global crude reserves will remain plentiful for decades. Critics say similar predictions of scarcity at the time of the 1973-74 Arab oil embargo didn't come true.

``There's a lot of phony baloney in there,'' said economist Michael Lynch of the U.S. business forecasting firm DRI-WEFA. ``A lot of prominent geologists just laugh at this.''

``There are wolves out there, but if you keep crying wolf and no wolves show up, you start to lose credibility,'' Lynch said by phone from his office in Lexington, Mass.

The dispute centers on the precise timing of what is variously described as ``peak oil'' or ``the big rollover'' -- the predicted date when existing oil production, together with new discoveries of crude, can no longer replenish the world's reserves as quickly as consuming countries are depleting them.

Roger Bentley, head of The Oil Depletion Analysis Center in London, insisted that the predictions made in the 1970s were basically correct. About 50 countries, including the United States, have already passed their point of peak oil output, he said.

The world's total reserves of crude, excluding oil found in shale and tar sands, are estimated to exceed 3 trillion barrels, according to the U.S. Geological Survey and other conventional sources of data.

Campbell insisted the true figure for reserves is closer to 2 trillion barrels, due partly to what he described as overstated reserves reported by Saudi Arabia and other OPEC nations.

He played down the significance of new oil discoveries in the Caspian Sea region of central Asia and in deep waters off the coasts of Brazil and West Africa and in the Gulf of Mexico. Now that geologists have effectively surveyed the globe for crude, Campbell and others at the conference said they doubted that any giant new oil fields still await discovery.

Also, unlike Lynch, Campbell believes that improvements in the technologies used to explore and drill for oil will increase production by only modest amounts.

As a result, Campbell forecast that oil output would peak by 2010 -- at least 26 years sooner than the rollover point predicted in a U.S. government study prepared in 2000.

``It's not a cataclysmic event,'' he said. ``But oil will become scarcer and more expensive. That's undeniable.''

Campbell estimates peak-year production at about 87 million barrels a day, compared to daily output last month of 74.5 million barrels, as calculated by the International Energy Agency, a watchdog agency for the world's wealthiest nations.

Simmons, the banker, predicted that the United States would suffer an energy scare even sooner, due to a 10 percent decrease he foresees in U.S. production of natural gas this year.

``If it's only 10 percent, we've dodged a bullet,'' he said. ``And 10 percent is a disaster. It could be 20 percent.''

Simmons, based in Houston, said Americans will have to embrace coal and even nuclear power once fossil fuels pass their global peak in production. Higher and more volatile prices are sure to accompany the transition period, he said.

``You couldn't get serious people focusing on this issue, and we're going to pay dearly for it.''


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: energylist; oil; opec; skyfalling
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1 posted on 05/24/2002 5:57:53 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
How do we know if the center the earth isn't like a big oil production facility, and doesn't just keep creating and pumping oil up to the surface. Also, if God wants he can speak infinite amounts of oil into existence if it serves His plan and purpose. On the other side, I do believe hydrogen will be the main source of energy during the millenium Kingdom.
2 posted on 05/24/2002 6:06:29 PM PDT by Russell Scott
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3 posted on 05/24/2002 6:06:47 PM PDT by Fish out of Water
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To: Russell Scott
Also, if God wants he can speak infinite amounts of oil into existence if it serves His plan and purpose.

So far, God isn't refilling the oil wells I'm responsible for, so maybe I should work on Plan B.

4 posted on 05/24/2002 6:13:38 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
In junior high ('75-ish) we were told that fossil fuels would run out within 20 years. If I could remember who the teachers were, and if they were still alive, I'd ask them about it...
6 posted on 05/24/2002 6:14:41 PM PDT by thatsnotnice
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To: thatsnotnice
I think it is safe to say that we are consuming oil at faster pace than natural processes make it. In fact, I'll defend that proposition against anyone foolish enough to argue against it.

That means that eventually we will run out of oil as a viable source of energy. Whether that's 50 years from now or 500 years from now, it is a certainty.

Before that happens, though, the morons in California will allow offshore drilling. I guarantee it.

7 posted on 05/24/2002 6:32:59 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
They hope to persuade oil-dependent countries like the United States to stop what they view as a squandering the planet's finite bounty of fossil fuels.

If production declines while demand increases, prices will rise encouraging consevation. Higher prices will also encourage development of substitutes. Markets work much better than government regulation on how to allocate resources.

8 posted on 05/24/2002 6:44:30 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative
It's hard to improve on that statement.
9 posted on 05/24/2002 6:52:54 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: GirlyGirl
We are no where near the peak of oil production

BINGO! Almost every few months you hear of more big oil field discoveries.

10 posted on 05/24/2002 6:55:26 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Dog Gone
This is another case of old news suddenly becoming "discovered" for God knows what reason. The Oil Institute put this out years ago. It's nothing new. Actually there will be a ton of oil in 2010, we'll just reach extraction breakeven. That is, it will take the energy of one barrel of oil to extract one barrel of oil from poorer and poorer fields. At that point you shut off the pumps unless you are a government economist, and then you use two barrels worth of oil to extract one (Hey, works for the Fed -- all we have to do is start the Klintoon Oil Company, sit back and watch them create oil from nothing ;')
11 posted on 05/24/2002 7:00:22 PM PDT by bloggerjohn
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To: thatsnotnice
Yea, I remember it well. "We'll be out of oil by the year 2000"

Let's start sacrficing Virgins to the gods!

12 posted on 05/24/2002 7:01:39 PM PDT by Falcon4.0
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To: AmericaUnited
According to this global oil production will peak somewhere between 2004-2008.
13 posted on 05/24/2002 7:07:26 PM PDT by Soren
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To: Dog Gone
Americans, as the biggest consumers of energy, could suffer a particularly harsh impact on their lifestyle, warned participants

As if this crowd would be upset about that.

14 posted on 05/24/2002 7:23:36 PM PDT by Charlotte Corday
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To: AmericaUnited
Worth noting also, this rant explicitly excludes production from oil sands, which in Alberta alone rival the reserves of Saudi Arabia.

And yes, they are producing, now, at a profit. The surface has just been scratched.

15 posted on 05/24/2002 7:39:57 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Dog Gone
"Before that happens, though, the morons in California will allow offshore drilling. I guarantee it."

You have more faith in the morons than I.

16 posted on 05/24/2002 7:50:30 PM PDT by okie01
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To: Dog Gone
DG,

Back in the mid 80's I invited a regional President of Amoco(they had 4 regions) to speak at the Houston Chapter of the IADC (International Association of Drilling Contractors). While returning him to his office he told me two things I shall never forget.

The first was that by the time I retire there would only be five big oil companies, Shell, Exxon, BP, Texaco plus a partner, and one other. This did not include national companies, nor for that matter, Amoco.

The other was that OPEC production would peak and start to decline by 2010.

Anyone who thinks there is plenty of CHEAP oil out there needs to rethink their position.

17 posted on 05/24/2002 7:54:12 PM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon
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To: thatsnotnice;Dog Gone;COB1
I am in the oil business and can tell you that there is no oil left, we are using oil colored water.
18 posted on 05/24/2002 7:54:36 PM PDT by razorback-bert
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or so said an international group of petroleum specialists meeting Friday.

Notice how this esteemed organization doesn't seem to have a name? I poked around on the net. Ties to wacko enviro organizations all over the place. Plus, one of the guys is hawking a book. Typical.

19 posted on 05/24/2002 11:07:14 PM PDT by FirstFlaBn
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