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Portland Utilities May Have Aided 'Ricochet' Trading by Enron, Others
Wall Street Journal (paid subscribers only) ^ | May 24, 2002 | Robert Gavin

Posted on 05/24/2002 4:42:25 AM PDT by snopercod

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:46:32 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Two utilities based in Portland, Ore., said they may have unwittingly aided schemes to manipulate electricity prices during the Western energy crisis of 2000.

In filings with the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission on Wednesday, PacifiCorp, a unit of Scottish Power PLC, and Portland General Electric, a unit of Houston-based Enron Corp., said they may have been unknowing intermediaries in so-called megawatt-laundering trades designed to avoid California price caps.


(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: calpowercrisis; enron; pacificorp
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...these back-and-forth deals were small, amounting to just 40,376 megawatt hours out of about 63 million megawatt hours traded...

That works out to 0.064%, but Enron will be blamed for the upcoming bankruptcy of California.

1 posted on 05/24/2002 4:42:25 AM PDT by snopercod
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach;Robert357;Carry_Okie
It's pointless to flag these threads with "calpowercrisis" any more, since the FR search engine will no longer find more than a week's worth of them, and google.com won't index FR.
2 posted on 05/24/2002 4:44:39 AM PDT by snopercod
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To: snopercod
I wonder if this archiving limit is temporary or not. One of FR's great advantages was that it kept the mass media sources from becoming a memory hole. If that is gone, so are my contributions.
3 posted on 05/24/2002 6:40:40 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: snopercod
I suspect that some of these might be legitimate services.

One of the things that I use to do long ago was to "load factor" which was to send off peak power to a utility that could use the power and get them to send me back a little less electricity or at a slightly higher rate about 12 hours later during peak load hours when I needed it. That helped me serve my peak load at a fair price and the firm doing the load factoring could make a little money as well.

It will be an interesting summer with charges and counter charges. I wonder what it will be like when the dust settles.

4 posted on 05/24/2002 10:59:52 AM PDT by Robert357
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To: Carry_Okie;Sandy;backhoe;Ernest_at_the_Beach;Alamo-Girl;Jim Robinson
One of FR's great advantages was that it kept the mass media sources from becoming a memory hole. If that is gone, so are my contributions.

Exactly. I have tried discreetly to broach this problem with Jim Robinson, but feel like I was rebuffed each time I did. He responded as if I were stupid and didn't know how to properly use the search engine. Also, he ignored my queries (twice) on why google.com no longer finds anything on FR when doing a site specific search. I know Jim must be very busy, so maybe my questions just got lost in the clutter.

Ernest, backhoe, myself, and several others spent weeks indexing every "calpowercrisis" article we could find. I personally indexed over 500 articles over a period of several week - finding them on google, then indexing them by posting "To:calpowercrisis". At the time I thought I was adding something of value to the forum.

If there is a way to find these old articles now, I don't know what it is. The new search engine works really well, but only searches on titles, AFAIK. Maybe John is working on an enhancement...or maybe not.

Also, I've been wondering lately why I've been putting in KEYWORDS all these years. I would scan entire articles and add the appropriate names in that field, assuming that "someday" this information might be valuable to people like Alamo-Girl. I hope it will be again.

The only way I'm able to find old articles these days is by searching my hard drive for the title of articles that I know I posted, then searching FR for that. It works, but only for articles that I posted.

I'm sure Jim has his reasons, but certainly he must be aware that FR in it's present condition is no longer useful for research. I'm guessing that the present limitations are intentional, and are probably due the the lawsuit. Or maybe Jim's just tired of working long hours for peanuts.

I could sure understand that, but would like to hear him explain what the heck is going on if he can. I feel like all that time I spent researching and cross-linking threads is now wasted.

It's Jim's forum, and he owes me nothing, and I owe him plenty. Still, I feel like I am part of a community of like minded people here, and feel justified in bringing this up.

If it's just a lack of funding for a proper search engine, I would glady to contribute to that, but somehow I sense there is something else going on.

If there is, we should know what it is so we can help.

5 posted on 05/24/2002 3:50:52 PM PDT by snopercod
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To: snopercod
I know nothing about google. Our archives are down at the moment while we're working on a redesign of the database. We will have a better search engine someday, but I do not know when. We are also in process of building a keyword database. I believe you can click on a keyword now (try it on the above keyword list) and get a list of articles for that word. The keyword search program will be improved as we get time. Right now, we are in the middle of a complete re-write of the entire system. Got lots of projects on going at the moment. Hang in there. We'll have it all back together again, plus lots of additional features soon. Jim
6 posted on 05/24/2002 4:09:37 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
Thanks for responding.

google.com effectively cut FR off in February. There was a thread on that, initiated by sandy, I think. The Washington Post is a paying customer of google. You should be aware of this.

I humbly request that you incorporate the ability to search the "To:" field as well as the "Keyword:" field in your redesign.

7 posted on 05/24/2002 4:39:05 PM PDT by snopercod
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Thank y'all for keeping me informed! Hugs!!!
8 posted on 05/24/2002 8:59:54 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl;snopercod
Could you share in any way whether the "Bump List Register" has been useful in your research and how you make use of it with the current limitation (that is in only getting the most recent indexed threads)?
9 posted on 05/25/2002 12:19:47 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I've stopped using it, Ernie, since it only finds about 20 articles going back a week or maybe two.

For the record, I clicked on the CALPOWERCRISIS keyword at the top of this article as Jim_Rob suggested. Same thing - I only got twenty articles.

10 posted on 05/25/2002 3:30:30 AM PDT by snopercod
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I haven't found it to be very helpful either.
11 posted on 05/25/2002 7:43:41 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: snopercod
Use this:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/finduser?user=calpowercrisis

Only goes back to January, but it's better than nothing.

12 posted on 05/25/2002 5:19:57 PM PDT by Sandy
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Hmmm I wonder what it would take to suck down all FR posts and do our own search engine. Seems that there are perhaps 700,000 posts (just looking at article numbers) of perhaps 10,000 bytes each (ignoring links to graphics and elsewhere.) That's perhaps 5 or 10 GBytes of data. It could be sucked up using a string of queries, for each article number from 1 to 700,000. At say 1 Mbits/sec, or 100 KBytes/sec, that would take a 70,000 seconds or 19 hours. It could easily be an order of magnitude slower.

Jim and John might well have complaints, for many good reasons, about such an activity, and we'd honor that which could put a complete stop to this idea in a big hurry. Then if that was ok, we'd have to setup a search engine on that data, and put it online, from a web site that was prepared to handle some traffic. Hmmm ... wish I had the capacity to do that. I can imagine being able (with permission from Jim, John and my wife <grin>) to suck down the pages, and being able to setup a search engine. I'm in no position to even dream of hosting such a site once it was ready for others to search. Then if we succeed, I might get to chat with some big city lawyers working for one of my (un)favorite newspapers. Joy oh joy.

Too bad about Google cutting us off.

13 posted on 05/26/2002 12:40:56 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow
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To: ThePythonicCow
Or instead of setting up a web site to access the old article database, we could distribute a set of a few CD's with the compressed copies of the old articles and a search tool. One way to use this would be to install it all on your harddrive (you might need a few spare GBytes), and run the search tool to produce a web page that displayed the title, author, date of each hit, with active links to the original article right on the FR site. So one would point one's browser at the local search tool, enter the query, and get a page of links back into www.freerepublic.com or a page of local links.

The local links would be faster, but would lack the graphics and mostly lack the navigation outside the article to any other part of the FR site. And it would be harder for anyone else to ever take the local copy of the articles away from you. Each month or two, we could release another CD, with articles since the last. This would dramatically reduce the distribution and availability of this search capability, which is quite unfortunate (except for the side affect of staying below some dang lawyers radar). It would also make the distribution cost proportionate to the number of recipients (copies of the CDs), and cheaper than keeping up a web site.

Perhaps we could get John and Jim to let us have (for the price of a modest donation and a disk drive) a copy of the FR articles so far, so we wouldn't have to suck them over the web. Then we just need a search tool of limited ability. That should be doable, maybe, maybe not ...

Distributing a few dozens or hundreds of copies of FR would have a major benefit of keeping its archive immune from being shutdown by outside forces.

14 posted on 05/26/2002 1:26:40 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow
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To: Sandy
Thanks. That's like a "find in forum" search, isn't it?

I wonder what happened at the beginning of this year. We know google cut us off in February, and soon after that the FR search engine stopped finding older posts. The archives were "locked", so that if we happened to find an old post of interest, we couldn't "bump" it. Now the archives are simply "unavailable".

It's like watching the Cheshire cat disappear...

15 posted on 05/26/2002 3:09:39 AM PDT by snopercod
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To: ThePythonicCow
Yes, I would dearly love to have a set of CDs with everything on them. I'm sure the FBI has a copy ;-)
16 posted on 05/26/2002 3:14:42 AM PDT by snopercod
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To: ThePythonicCow
Geez, sounds like many of the Main Fram discussions I have been involved.

Some Executive says --" We have 3 million records in there and I don't understand if it is in the machine why in hell we can't get it out!!!"

Those numbers seem way too low!

17 posted on 05/26/2002 11:58:40 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Which number seems low? The posting number is visible in the URL for this post: which is where my 700,000 posts came from. My guess of 10,000 chars per average post (if you don't follow any of the graphics links) was a wild guess, but I would hope would be within an order of magnitude one way or the other, on average.

Yes, my post will sound familiar to those in the computer business. I punched my first card in the late 60's, while protests against the Vietnam war were raging outside. Since then I've worked a number of systems, large and small, mostly Unix the last 25 years, including a very custom search engine that is in heavy use 24x7 for the last 8 years on a 0.6 Terabyte pile of data.

18 posted on 05/26/2002 12:14:25 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow
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To: snopercod
Well, the archives are still there, just harder to search.

Take a look at the URL for this post:

Notice the article number 688797. Try typing in a similar URL, with article number 10, as in You will see a post on the Zogby poll from Sept 1998. I've tried several post numbers in between, and found articles arranged in time, since then.

And the links to some articles I liked on my home page, dating back to late 2000 when I joined the FreeRepublic, still work.

19 posted on 05/26/2002 12:25:27 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow
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To: snopercod; jim robinson; john robinson
I've no idea if this can fly yet, but John, Jim, if I delivered an empty disk drive to you of the right kind (whatever IDE or SCSI you like), could you put the undigested pile of past articles on it, given that I had (which I haven't yet) committed to putting it on a set of CDs with a simple search tool and distributed it?

I can well imagine 14 reasons from Sunday why you might not like this idea, so if you want to say no, go right ahead.

20 posted on 05/26/2002 12:34:08 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow
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