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1 posted on 05/21/2002 10:21:23 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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What's wrong with a little Fascism?
2 posted on 05/21/2002 10:23:29 AM PDT by rageaholic
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As Ludwig von Mises observed, Fascism, Nazism, and Socialism are varying versions of the same core conviction: that it is the sacred duty of popular government to prevent the emergence of profits by public control of production and distribution. What distinguishes Fascism and Nazism from Socialism in economic theory is how they translate "public control" into reality.

For the socialist, it means outright nationalization-government ownership-of private business. In a socialist state, the government owns and operates the airlines, railroads, banks, phone companies, and any other business you can think of. Everyone is an employee of the State.

For the fascist, public or government control is just that-control, rather than nationalized ownership, via complete bureaucratic regulation of ostensibly private business.

As an ardent admirer of Marx, Mussolini coined the term "Fascism" for his brand of authoritarian, patriotic Marxism. Fascism operates under the principle of "might makes right," through the exercise of raw, naked governmental police power.

In America today, the increasingly rough-shod violation of constitutional rights by government agents in the name of "protecting the environment" or the "war on drugs" is an indication of how far we are proceeding in this direction.

Intellectually, fascism is far more dishonest than socialism, which at least has the courage to assert legal ownership of the economy and thus assume the legal responsibility for its functioning.

As we can see, liberals are the pro typical Fascist - they're dishonest and they want Government control of all aspects of our life.

4 posted on 05/21/2002 10:41:33 AM PDT by jimkress
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involuntary military draft

involuntary registration?? Is that still the law?
5 posted on 05/21/2002 11:05:46 AM PDT by My Identity
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The difference between Facists, Communists, and Socialists:

Facists were pretty uniforms. Steal everything you have, and kill you if you don't believe it's for your own good, or if they just feel like it.

Communists were camofloge uniforms. Steal everything you have, and kill you if you don't believe it's for your own good, or if they just feel like it.

Socialists were bad suits. Steal everything you have, and kill you if you don't believe it's for your own good, or if they just feel like it.

6 posted on 05/21/2002 11:38:30 AM PDT by CyberSpartacus
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"Fascism: Any program for setting up and centralizing an autocratic regime with severely authoritarian politics exercising regulation of industry, commerce and finance, rigid censorship, and forcible oppression of opposition. —
Webster's Unabridged Dictionary "

Sure sounds like Communism but you would have to add control of education, media and Hollywood.

8 posted on 05/21/2002 11:42:57 AM PDT by ex-snook
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Great article. Thanks!

Now what? Unfortunately I don't see a way back. Our best efforts only slow the ever increasing reach of the Fascists. I'm 45. I worry about my kids, but despite my best efforts they are less outraged than I am. Perhaps my grandkids (should my children be granted procreation licenses) will find it all so normal it won't bother them at all.

With both parties fully supporting income redistributing, eco-regulating, cradele-to-grave tracking big government I don't see a lot of options for restoring freedom.

The Free State Project has a new idea, so I'm checking them out. I'm still voting, contributing, etc. And posting and reading but I'm not expecting any change in the right direction. Sadly.

9 posted on 05/21/2002 11:45:24 AM PDT by Jack Black
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What ever happened to The Laissez Faire City Times? I can no longer find it on tne web.
10 posted on 05/21/2002 11:50:44 AM PDT by thrcanbonly1
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Thanks for reposting this. I have bookmarked it.

Sometimes when I refer to Fascist Davis, those who have not learned about Fascism challenge me. This will be an excellent tutorial to refer them to.

11 posted on 05/21/2002 12:04:28 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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In the real world of non-revisionist history, the problem of politics has always been the diametric polarization of the individual and a governing elite.

Poor guy. Why must he use his prose like guillotine? He's cut the world in half, with the unreal part prior to the Enlightenment chopped off, legs dangling, while the severed head, happy with all the blood, speaks of an absolute and false dichotomy of the individual and state. Methinks it is looking cross-eyed from staring at polarities.

Did I misunderstand him? He don't like some folks and he can say so with humility giving way to hate.

13 posted on 05/21/2002 12:19:38 PM PDT by cornelis
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Outstanding post. Here's a quote I think is apropos.

"It should never be forgotten by leaders of democratic nations that nothing except the love and habit of freedom can maintain an advantageous contest with the love and habit of physical well-being. I can conceive of nothing better prepared for subjection in case of defeat than a democratic people without free institutions." - De Tocqueville, Democracy in America, 1835.

15 posted on 05/21/2002 12:27:45 PM PDT by PsyOp
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Here are a few more thoughts on the subject.

"We have to combat the wolf of socialism, and we shall be able to do it far more effectively as a pack of hounds than as a flock of sheep." - Winston Churchill, speech, 1937.

"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent vice of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries." - Winston Churchill, House of Commons, October 22, 1945.

"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy." - Winston Churchill, Perth, May 28, 1948.

"The British nation now has to make one of the most momentous choices in its history. That choice is between two ways of life: between individual liberty and State domination: between concentration of ownership in the hands of the State and the extension of a property-owning democracy; between a policy of increasing restraint and a policy of liberating energy and ingenuity: between a policy of levelling down and a policy of finding opportunities for all to rise upwards from a basic standard." - Winston Churchill, speech in Woodford, England, January 28, 1950.

16 posted on 05/21/2002 12:44:17 PM PDT by PsyOp
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How about a link to the original thread...did I miss it?
17 posted on 05/21/2002 12:51:57 PM PDT by f.Christian
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*Bump* for later
20 posted on 05/21/2002 2:07:27 PM PDT by Yardstick
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"The state of American education being what it is, the vast majority of people are totally incapable of recognizing a fascist economic program, even when it is used to slap them in the face. This is because they have not been taught that fascism means state direction of the economy, cradle to grave 'social security', complete control of education, government intervention in every nook and cranny of the economy - and the belief that the individual belongs to the state."

"During the late 1960s, I watched in despair as my brilliantly gifted [American] piano students suddenly began to speak as if someone had replaced their brains with prerecorded tapes. They spoke in phrases-repeated mechanically-which were neither the product of, nor accessible to, intelligent consideration. At first, these tapes seemed to contain only a few slogans about "love and peace." Fruitful conversation became impossible, but that was merely regrettable. The situation became alarming when the "tapes" began to include words and phrases that had become familiar to me in Hungary during the Nazi and Soviet occupations, and which contributed to the reasons for my decision to escape. Worse yet, the words and phrases were soon followed by practices of similar pedigree.
"Reactionary," "exploitation," "oppressor and oppressed," and "redistribution" were some of the words taken straight from the Marxist repertoire. The term "politically correct" first came to my attention through the writings of Anton Semionovich Makarenko, Lenin's expert on education. Adolf Hitler preferred the version "socially correct." Then came the affirmative action forms which classified people by ancestry-first signed into law in Nazi Germany-and the preferential treatment of specific categories, introduced by the Stalinist government in 1950."

Joseph Farah recently reminded us that, "America is not slouching toward totalitarianism, it is rushing headlong toward it. "And if so, are there any apologists that can sincerely argue that a people rushing toward a totalitarian police state aren't seriously flirting with that harlot we call Fascism?

There's a popular line of reasoning circulating these days arguing that governments are basically in the business of selling protection. Protection from poverty, foreign invaders, thieves and other common criminals, "class injustice," our "inability" to provide for ourselves, those who would insult us, environmental degradation, our propensity to drive without fastening our seat belts or ride without our helmets, anything and everything they can think of. So when they come to sell you this protection you may ask them what happens if you decline their monopolized services. What happens if you should like to shop elsewhere for these "necessities," in a more competitive market? What happens if even from a reasonable posture, you refuse to unilaterally allow the federal, state, or local authorities to take your money in exchange for limiting your freedom to negotiate with them?
Well, there's a strong possibility that they'll read you your "rights" and flat out tell you that then you'll need protection from them. That this fact so reminds any reasonable thinker of the protection rackets of organized crime should cause any rational person to look at the entire matter from a different perspective.

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These are some of the particularly pertinent, and chilling, quotes I take from the article.

21 posted on 05/21/2002 2:24:38 PM PDT by Just another Joe
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Fascism and Marxism are opposite ideologies. Marxism is based on historical materialism. It believes that history is influenced only by economic forces and rejects the importance of individuals in history. According to this theory human history involves an unending class struggle between the ruling class and the oppressed. For example, in feudalism the landowners, or aristocrats were the ruling class. The aristocrats were overthrown by the bourgeoisie who then became the ruling class and replaced feudalism with capitalism. The new underclass in capitalism were the proletariat, who Marxists believe will eventually overthrow capitalism and replace it with socialism, just as the slave societies of the ancient world were replaced by feudalism, and feudalism was replaced by capitalism.

Fascism rejects the theory of historical materialism. It believes that history is not determined by economic factors, but in "heroism and in holiness", as Mussolini says in "What is Fascism?". It places a strong emphasis on the role of individuals and mythology. Because it rejects historical materialism it also rejects that the class struggle is the dominant force of change in society, and even the existence of a continuous class struggle. Fascism rejects both of these things, which are the core of Marxist theory.

Another trait of Fascism is its strong emphasis on nationalism. Mussolini's dream was the recreate the Roman Empire, which was the origin of the salute used by both Fascists and Nazis. This is opposed to Marxism in that Marxism is an internationalist theory. Real Marxism believes that socialism cannot be established in one country because one country doesn't have the resources or the capacity to create a classless society. It believes in the necessity of a world wide revolution for the creation of socialism. Marxists believe that with the creation of a classless society there will be no more need for a state and it will whither away until it has disappeared. Fascism on the other hand places the importance of the state above all else.

Mussolini himself said that "Fascism [is] the complete opposite of Marxian Socialism . . . ." Since Marxism is a left-wing ideology it's opposite, Fascism, is a right-wing ideology.

26 posted on 05/31/2002 11:41:24 AM PDT by Euphen
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Bump
28 posted on 05/31/2002 12:06:31 PM PDT by PRND21
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It's been a battle over who has ownership of human rights––who possesses innate sovereignty––the individual or the state.

Madison and Jefferson would say that sovereignty lies in the consent of the people and Liberals would say with the state. I think though, that sovereignty comes from and lies in God. If power isn't exercised in harmony with God's law then it isn't legitimate, no matter how many people consent to it.

I'm sure I'll be accused of being a theocrat, but by placing sovereignty in the people, rather than God and divine law, the framers of the constitution left the door open for any evil so long as it was justified by majority rule. Ultimately, therefore, the reason the constitutional system was perverted so quickly is not the fault of the governmental system set forth in the constitution, but rather it allows matters of truth and morality to become open questions, not anchored in divine law.

flame retardent on!

30 posted on 05/31/2002 5:45:19 PM PDT by JMJ333
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HUGE 'KEEP THIS ALIVE' BUMP
36 posted on 02/12/2003 3:41:14 AM PST by Brian Allen (This above all -- to thine own self be true)
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BUMP
37 posted on 02/12/2003 3:56:14 AM PST by WhiteGuy (Cynical)
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Reposted, as articles prior to 9-4-01 cannot be 'bumped'.
BUMPable now!
38 posted on 02/12/2003 4:02:50 AM PST by philman_36
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