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To: Shermy
I wonder if similar crimes will carry more severe penalties in the future if they are shown to aid terrorists? Wouldn't this be a form of treason?
3 posted on 05/20/2002 4:03:58 PM PDT by lsee
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To: lsee
Similar crimes? Our states are co-conspirators. Tennessee changed its law last year specifically to profit from the fraudulent license market. The cover story was "safety for illegal drivers." Really they just decided to make money off fraud, by rewriting the laws to overturn the social security number requirement. Guess what happened? The illegals and terrorists headed straight for Tennessee.

Here's an example of massive fraud in New Jersey:

License to Defraud (May 12, 2002)

5 posted on 05/20/2002 4:07:58 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: lsee
Nope. Per the Constitution Treason can only happen in a declared war. Congress is incapable of recognizing a war, let alone actually declaring one.
7 posted on 05/20/2002 4:09:51 PM PDT by null and void
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To: Isee; sarcasm; Grampa Dave; JDGreen123
The forces behind scam licenses are govts. that want to profit from illegals, and businessess who want cheap trucking labor. Look how this guy "Maddox" plays the race card for his presumed business backers - to get those illegals their licenses. Gives them to terrrorists too. I wonder if they're still lining up down there in Tennessee while this bill is being argued. Of course they could just go back to the old law, but I bet some business interests are lobbying like heck for some kind of bonus.

Here's an article from May 18:

Illegal) Immigrant license law lacks support

Legislation allowing illegal immigrants to obtain a one-year Tennessee driver's license, instead of the full-term license they have been able to get for the past year, is in trouble in the House and may be dead for this legislative session.

The bill had been scheduled for a House vote Wednesday, but its sponsor, Rep. Mark Maddox, postponed action for a week. Maddox said in an interview yesterday that he did so because he did not think it had sufficient votes to pass, even though it earlier cleared the Senate in a 31-0 vote.

Maddox's legislation provides that an applicant who does not have a Social Security number or who cannot provide acceptable Immigration and Naturalization Service documentation can receive the special one-year license. A regular driver's license is good for five years.

The one-year license would be stamped with the words ''For driving purposes only.''

The bill was seen as a compromise between those who want to deny any driving privileges to unauthorized immigrants and those who say immigrants are going to drive anyway so they need to know the rules of the road and have the opportunity to purchase insurance.

A state law that took effect May 3, 2001, allowed people without Social Security cards to obtain licenses. The change prompted immigrants — legal and illegal, many of them Hispanic — to flock to testing stations to apply, resulting in long lines and short tempers.

The situation improved in June when the state Safety Department hired 43 bilingual examiners and took other steps to speed the process. But some lawmakers want to reinstate the Social Security card requirement and otherwise tighten restrictions on who can receive a license.

Some of those opposing Maddox's bill are ''people who want us to close the borders and make sure everybody is free, white and 21 before they come to the states,'' he said. Maddox, D-Dresden, said he and others were working on amendments to try to save the legislation.

''The prevailing mood in the House was last year we were told the bill that passed would not give illegal immigrants the ability to get a driver's license,'' Maddox said. ''In fact, that was not the case.

''My colleagues feel like this bill may be clearer in that regard in that it most definitely will give illegal immigrants an opportunity to obtain a driver's license. The majority of them do not feel this is what we should do.''

Rep. Donna Rowland, R-Murfreesboro, said the Maddox bill was a step in the right direction but did not go far enough.

''We have had plenty of time and ample opportunity — and especially in light of all the national incidents that have happened in the last year — that we should address this issue in its entirety,'' said Rowland, who has campaigned for stricter controls on driver's licenses for immigrants.

Backers of the legislation say illegal immigrants will drive with or without licenses, so they need to know the rules of the road. {Note - this is the standard big trucking lobbyist line. It's untrue. The illegals can have International Licenses that permit them to drive. But showing this license is not enough to get transporation work.)

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JDGreen123

How about getting your talk show friend to talk about this. I mean, is there any question what to do? No illegals.

11 posted on 05/20/2002 4:18:08 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: lsee
I wonder if similar crimes will carry more severe penalties in the future if they are shown to aid terrorists?

Works for me -- if they can make a simple assault or robbery carry a longer term because is is classified as a "hate" crime, they could do the same for crimes designed to aid terrorists.

24 posted on 05/21/2002 1:03:39 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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