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To: r9etb
If we can condemn Marx, we can plausibly condemn Gould, too.

One of the worst analogies I've encountered lately.

Of course, the very idea that "harm to hundreds of millions" is a bad thing, is something that Gould the atheist evolutionist could not rationally have defended. After all, developing the means to inflict harm, or to avoid being harmed, are presented as the primary engine of evolution. At any rate, random evolution does not allow us to make the sort of absolute moral claims that is required to condemn a man for his ideas.

Come now. There are certainly Christians with exemplary moral character, but there are also self-described Christians, including some of the clergy of various denominations, who are quite immoral -- just read the headlines. And there are examples of athiests who have very strict morality. Also, there were the so-called "virtuous pagans" in the Greek and Roman world. Further, I know loads of people who believe evolution is a good scientific theory who live entirely virtuous lives. If you want to believe that only your denomination can give man morality, go ahead, but there's just too much evidence to the contrary.

103 posted on 05/20/2002 3:04:23 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
One of the worst analogies I've encountered lately.

How so?

Come now. There are certainly Christians with exemplary moral character, but there are also self-described Christians, including some of the clergy of various denominations, who are quite immoral -- just read the headlines......

So what? None of that has nothing to do with the fact that the atheistic approach to evolution offers no basis for anything more than relativism, and with the mechanisms of evolution in mind one cannot possibly condemn the infliction of harm.

If you want to believe that only your denomination can give man morality, go ahead, but there's just too much evidence to the contrary.

What evidence might that be? Certainly not the evidence of evolution, as its mechanisms run counter to the morality to which you seem to be referring. What you're trying to do here is have your cake and eat it, too. You talk about "morality" as if it were an absolute thing, yet you champion a view of evolution that precludes absolute morality. An atheist quite simply has no rational way to defend absolute moral claims.

124 posted on 05/20/2002 3:51:18 PM PDT by r9etb
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