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[general_re]

You changed my words.

To: general_re

Can God's law change over time?

No.

559 posted on 5/22/02 8:08 AM Eastern by gore3000
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[general_re]

I am correcting your wishfull, deliberate misrepresentation.

To: general_re

Can God's law change over time?

No.

559 posted on 5/22/02 8:08 AM Eastern by gore3000
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[gore3000]

Mi

Not at all. The ability to change one's mind and behave differently is a power.

Fine, but that does not mean that because one has the power to do something, one must exercise such power. Almost any human being has the power to murder another human being, yet very few exercise such power. Many people would under no circumstances exercise that power, yet that does not mean that they do not have the power to murder. Some may not exercise it out of fear of being caught, out of fear of God, because they think it immoral or just plainly because they see no need for it. Regardless of whether they exercise it or not, regardless of whether they wish to exercise it or not, they do have the power.

[gore3000]

I am correcting your wishfull, deliberate misrepresentation. -me- To: general_re
Can God's law change over time? - general_re-
No. -me-

That's correct, and I stand by it. The reason it cannot change is that God does not wish to change it, not because he does not have the power to change it. Your willfull and deliberate misrepresentation was saying that I had denied God's omnipotence, which I had not. I have explained this to you a half a dozen times, but not being an honest person you continue with your deliberate lie.

[PatrickHenry]

Blue skipping placemarker.

[general_re]

Fine, but that does not mean that because one has the power to do something, one must exercise such power. Almost any human being has the power to murder another human being, yet very few exercise such power. Many people would under no circumstances exercise that power, yet that does not mean that they do not have the power to murder. Some may not exercise it out of fear of being caught, out of fear of God, because they think it immoral or just plainly because they see no need for it. Regardless of whether they exercise it or not, regardless of whether they wish to exercise it or not, they do have the power.

I agree.

[general_re]

That's correct, and I stand by it. The reason it cannot change is that God does not wish to change it, not because he does not have the power to change it.

That's fine, but that's a bit more than what you originally said. I understand what you are now saying, and therefore my earlier inferences about your statements are no longer correct, as they previously were.

Your willfull and deliberate misrepresentation was saying that I had denied God's omnipotence, which I had not. I have explained this to you a half a dozen times, but not being an honest person you continue with your deliberate lie.

To: general_re

Can God's law change over time?

No.

559 posted on 5/22/02 8:08 AM Eastern by gore3000
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[general_re]

Get with the times - red is where it's at these days. It's a nice contrast, and it gives the thread a lovely patriotic look. ;)

[gore3000]

to say that God can't change His laws is to declare that God has limitations, which seems to be blasphemy.

Hey, how about that. You are correct. General_re, your friend, is putting blasphemy in my mouth. Blasphemy I never uttered. God's law does not change because He does not wish to change it. He could change it anytime he wishes. In fact, the natural laws which all you atheists revere are of His making. He does on occassion change those laws when he performs miracles.

[Heartlander]

You have argued; God cannot exist if… and if God does exist - here are His errors.

So I will revise my statement and ask, ‘are you an atheist, of a different religion besides Christianity or Judaism, or a plain idiot?

But I can see how you would not want to answer such a question, it could set you up for the same ridicule that you have been doing to others.
Wouldn’t want that now…. It would expose the literal ‘foundation’ for your argument.

So, just answer a simple question that I have asked several times now:

Can a square be perfectly round and still be a square?

[VadeRetro]

White is right.

[VadeRetro]

The preceding is best read when selected.

[f.Christian]

All evolution is spin--bias--twist and lies!

[AndrewC]

And just in case AndrewC is lurking, an image of a triangle in one's mind is not the triangle itself

Hmmm. Well is a triangle abstract or not?

Here's an analogy I've been working on: Take 3 pennies. Drop them on the table. What do you see? Four items: Three pennies and one triangle.
So, is the triangle physical? No, it's abstract.

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547 posted on 5/22/02 1:56 AM Central by jennyp

[gore3000]

To ascribe "Changing his mind" to God is simply an anthropomorphization of God and a category error.

Very true. Men have a finite mind, that is why we cannot really fathom the concept of infinity, time without beginning and without end, yet we know in a way that it is true even when we cannot comprehend it. It is a concept beyond our logical realm just as the concept of God is beyond our logical realm.

[general_re]

Sigh.

You have argued; God cannot exist if? and if God does exist - here are His errors.

No. I have argued that if God cannot change His own laws, then He is something less than omnipotent. If He can change His own laws, then the assertion advanced by some (but not by gore3000 any more) that God cannot change His own laws is false, and He may still be regarded as omnipotent.

So I will revise my statement and ask, ?are you an atheist, of a different religion besides Christianity or Judaism, or a plain idiot?

"D. None of the above"

But I can see how you would not want to answer such a question, it could set you up for the same ridicule that you have been doing to others.

The ridiculous expose themselves. Others have nothing to fear from me.

Can a square be perfectly round and still be a square?

If God is omnipotent, and he wants it that way, then I suppose he can make it so.

[general_re]

Typical. Someone's always got to run against the grain ;)

[AndrewC]

You've been asking lots of questions and using logic. Let me see if you wish to answer this one.

Can logic correctly solve all questions?

[general_re]

A fair question, and one that deserves an honest answer. No, some things are not accessible to logic and reason. In the vein of this thread, it is clear that logic and reason can neither prove nor disprove the existence of God. One may choose to believe in God, or one may choose not to, but logic and reason cannot tell us that one of those choices is necessarily superior to the other. It is a matter of faith, not one of reason.

[AndrewC]

Sigh of contentment! Great answer.