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Are Conservatives Addicted to the Drug War?
The Fountain of Truth ^ | May 19, 2002 | Douglas F. Newman

Posted on 05/19/2002 8:13:50 PM PDT by hellonewman

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To: RLK
I'm not. I just happen to believe, as much as I believe anything, that America will not survive drug use or the mentality facilitated by drug use.

I guess you believe that America will not survive then. Because whatever happens, drug use will continue, as it has in the past, it will in the future.

The WOD failed. It cannot succeed. Take it or leave it.

61 posted on 05/20/2002 10:35:24 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: Kevin Curry
Our choice is: prison at one end of the spectrum, nanny government rehab and coddling at the other, with a combination of the two in between.

Only in what passes for your mind. Other choices exist even if you can't conceive of them.

62 posted on 05/20/2002 10:38:48 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: southern rock
Do yourself a favor and put at least half the energy you put into bashing drugs and drug users into bashing taxes and the IRS, and you might gain some credibility.

He is an authoritarian, he won't do that.

63 posted on 05/20/2002 10:40:47 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: Kevin Curry
Society will never leave drug abusers alone.

"Society" doesn't go after drug abusers now. It is government interests that do.

Oh, btw, the was no War on (some) Drugs before 1970.

What you fail to realize is that Liberty is a zero-sum game.

64 posted on 05/20/2002 10:42:59 AM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: Lancey Howard
Some people apparently think America should be just like those countries.

Only big government socialists. The credible people who oppose the insane WOD never, never advocate government involvement at all much less in bailing out people who have not taken responsibility for their own actions.

65 posted on 05/20/2002 10:44:01 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: Texasforever
Excuse me but that is just sophistry of the first order.

Excuse me but that is just sophistry of the first order.

66 posted on 05/20/2002 10:46:05 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: Kevin Curry
Our choice is: prison at one end of the spectrum, nanny government rehab and coddling at the other, with a combination of the two in between.

Well put....

67 posted on 05/20/2002 10:46:53 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Don Myers
The Libertarians sure are.

Please explain this cryptic comment.

68 posted on 05/20/2002 10:49:47 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
How do you explain the ease with which euthanasia swept through the Netherlands? I attribute it to several things, one of them being that the population is too busy using drugs to be bothered about what is happening in the government. They are desensitized.
69 posted on 05/20/2002 10:52:59 AM PDT by JMJ333
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To: rdb3
Is the American body politic truly ready for decriminalization of narcotics?

Getting closer every day. Several states have legalized pot under certain circumstances and yet the federal government has persisted in prosecuting it's own unconstitutional laws in those states. The jig is up and many people, apparently you are one of them, can't see the shift in opinion. It's over. In ten years you will wonder what ever led you to ask that question.

70 posted on 05/20/2002 10:54:05 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: JMJ333
I attribute it to several things, one of them being that the population is too busy using drugs to be bothered about what is happening in the government.

Care to post credible figures on drug usage in the Netherlands which shows that registered voters use drugs in numbers greater than in the past and that they are the majority?

Your theory is Swiss cheese.

71 posted on 05/20/2002 10:57:10 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: JMJ333
How do you explain the ease with which euthanasia swept through the Netherlands?

Their Western European culture is obviously amenable to that sort of thing. Ours doesn't seem to be.

I attribute it to several things, one of them being that the population is too busy using drugs to be bothered about what is happening in the government. They are desensitized.

You honestly believe a bunch of evil zealots slipped this sort of legislation by a population because they were too stoned to realize what they were doing? I've been to Amsterdam twice now, and honestly---the only people that seem to frequent the coffeeshops in large numbers are the tourists from places where weed isn't legal. The Dutch are out holding jobs and making money like everyone else all around the world.

I cannot say this strongly enough: AMSTERDAM IS NOT A CITY OF STONED ZOMBIES.

Your theory is 200% whacked. It reeks of your own personal agenda and has no basis at all in reality.


72 posted on 05/20/2002 10:58:22 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Lancey Howard
Amsterdam is actually much nicer than most American cities,
73 posted on 05/20/2002 10:58:39 AM PDT by ContentiousObjector
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To: wardaddy
Well put....

For a comedy routine.

74 posted on 05/20/2002 10:58:52 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
So you don't think drug usage has any effect on the direction the country takes politically or morally?
75 posted on 05/20/2002 11:00:08 AM PDT by JMJ333
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To: Lazarus Long
"Users will use whether or not they're legal, so why rip up the Bill of Rights"

There is a class of people who refrain from certain things only because those things are illegal and carry stiff penalties.

For example, I do not cheat on my federal income taxes.

Drugs are no different. Legalization or decriminalization will increase the number of users. At least at first. Then I would expect a fine example of natural selection to take place.

76 posted on 05/20/2002 11:25:52 AM PDT by Tauzero
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To: Lancey Howard
"You forgot to include government dispensing of heroin to hordes of zombie losers wandering around in superior, more enlightened countries like Norway, Sweden, and Netherlands. Some people apparently think America should be just like those countries."

The problem with the Netherlands is not its drug policy but its welfare state policy.

Drugged-out zombies had a distinct survival disadvantage in the pre-welfare-state America.

77 posted on 05/20/2002 11:30:06 AM PDT by Tauzero
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To: southern rock
Really? Someone here said the government should give out free heroin? I must have missed that.

LOFL!!!
The rats get about half the popular votes in this country, mostly from the parasites. They do this by confiscating from society's producers and giving out "free stuff" to the parasites in order to buy their votes. You don't think the Democrats would just LOVE to include heroin in the "free stuff" they use to buy votes? What planet you been on?

78 posted on 05/20/2002 11:46:11 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: jayef
Asheville Nuggets. Kind bud. It's just good pot.

The stuff stinks. You youngsters have no class.

79 posted on 05/20/2002 11:47:57 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: jayef
You ever been to Hollywood?

Oh, I wish!!! Hollllywooood! Wow!!!
That's where all the beautiful people live.
The miserable, vain, dead-like-everybody-else-sooner-or-later, beautiful people. Wow.

80 posted on 05/20/2002 11:52:27 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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