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To: L.N. Smithee
Why don't some folks start admitting this is yet another violation of commandment by the very folks who claim that to OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS, is paramount in their Christian walk?

Of course, if it did not matter that we obey the commandments to "not forbid" little ones, Jesus should have known better than go on so about it. Apparently, it matters NOT whether Church leaders obey the commands regarding little children or not. This is yet another form of CHILD abuse by phony Christian leaders.

Then religious idiots whine about "Why are folks turning away from God, in their personal and business lives?"

Hello!!! maybe it has something to do with the fact that the folks who are supposed to be acting like Jesus... are acting like Beelzebub instead...

Salt, that has LOST its savor, is to be cast out and rejected by men... according to that annoying prophet and son of God... Jesus Christ. The leadership of many Churches has lost their savor. It matters little though, because so have MOST of the sheep, in the local flocks... Do you think phony hypocrites in Church leadership, might cause the sheep to fall away from God? Do you not believe sheep can and are "led astray?" Abandoning the child, because parents in the local church are upset about the mom's employment, even if she is a crack whore... is WRONG.

Funny that a stripper has more understanding of the principles of faith... than the preachers do... Like Jesus said to the "church" leaders of His day, scribes, pharisees, saducees and priests... "Whores and drug abusers will enter MY Father's kingdom BEFORE you ever will..."

Funny how HIS words still ring true... while the apologists for the phonies, go on about how this is NO big deal... just like they did the sexual molesters in another Big Christian Denomination.

Sin that hurts little kids by Christian leaders... IS a big deal... ESPECIALLY to those in alleged Christian leadership.

Offending "little ones" is but a precursor behavior to a damnation so severe, that being fitted with a millstone, and thrown into the sea, would be a better choice of behaviors for the offenders, according to Jesus.

You got a problem with THAT... why not take it up with Jesus, instead of me?

289 posted on 05/19/2002 1:13:40 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: Robert_Paulson2
If the mother is going to find another job because of this, the church did a very good thing. It would be much better for the little girl to have a mother with another career.
290 posted on 05/19/2002 1:16:35 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Robert_Paulson2
Of course, if it did not matter that we obey the commandments to "not forbid" little ones, Jesus should have known better than go on so about it. Apparently, it matters NOT whether Church leaders obey the commands regarding little children or not. This is yet another form of CHILD abuse by phony Christian leaders.

I suppose what you are referring to is the way Jesus' disciples initially hindered parents from bringing children to Jesus for the purpose of having him bless them (Matthew 19:13-15, Mark 10:13-16, Luke 18:15-17). This was far from a "command," and it is disingenuous to suggest that hindering children from Jesus' personal hands is akin to the expulsion of a child whose mother freely chose to follow a non-Christian path.

Funny that a stripper has more understanding of the principles of faith... than the preachers do... Like Jesus said to the "church" leaders of His day, scribes, pharisees, saducees and priests... "Whores and drug abusers will enter MY Father's kingdom BEFORE you ever will..."

I have no idea where you got "drug abusers." Here is the actual passage, this one from the New American Standard Version:


31   "Which of the two did the will of his father?" They said, "The first." Jesus said to them, "Truly I say to you that (28) the tax collectors and prostitutes will get into the kingdom of God before you. 32   "For John came to you in the way of righteousness and you did not believe him; but (29) the tax collectors and prostitutes did believe him; and you, seeing this, did not even feel remorse afterward so as to believe him.

I don't know whether you hold people from the IRS in the same esteem as smack addicts, but them's the facts.

It's interesting how you cited a scripture that was first and foremost about not living up to sworn obligations. See if you can grasp what I mean when I show you what precluded Jesus' statement about the harlots and drug abusers...uh, tax collectors:


28   "But what do you think? A man had two sons, and he came to the first and said, 'Son, go work today in the (27) vineyard.'
29   "And he answered, 'I will not'; but afterward he regretted it and went.
30   "The man came to the second and said the same thing; and he answered, 'I will, sir'; but he did not go.

Who said, "I will," but did not, in this situation?

Funny how HIS words still ring true... while the apologists for the phonies, go on about how this is NO big deal... just like they did the sexual molesters in another Big Christian Denomination.

You are obviously frothing at the mouth as you write this, but no amount of anger is an excuse for such a ridiculous simile. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

Offending "little ones" is but a precursor behavior to a damnation so severe, that being fitted with a millstone, and thrown into the sea, would be a better choice of behaviors for the offenders, according to Jesus.

"Offending little ones"? What translation are you using that says "offending?" Every one that I have found says that the millstone treatment would be better for those that "[cause] one of these little ones who believe in me to sin..."

As has been mentioned many times by myself and others in this and other threads on this situation, while there is no specific condemnation against dancing -- nude or otherwise -- in the scriptures, the fact remains that what Silvas did was for the exclusive purpose of inciting lust, which is something that Jesus DID specifically warn his disciples about. So it is possible she was leading others to sin.

By your own harsh standards, Ms. Silvas not only is a hot number, she would just get hotter.

316 posted on 05/20/2002 12:13:56 AM PDT by L.N. Smithee
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