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Gays defending faith and selves [Openly gay Diocese of Cleveland employee set to join Marianists]
Akron Beacon Journal ^ | May 13, 2002 | Jim Carney

Posted on 05/14/2002 9:34:39 PM PDT by Diago

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To: Diago;all
Just asking Here's something from today's Page Six column in the NY Post ... which may be worthy of its own thread:

WHICH American cardinal recently disclosed to insiders a confidential letter he received from a bishop urging the cardinal to resign for the good of the church? The cardinal is being urged to quit before his much-gossiped-about homosexual indiscretions are uncovered by the media . . .

WHICH ranking priest of a major diocese predicted over a boozy dinner the other night that if the media outs this particular cardinal, "then the dominoes will really start to fall?

21 posted on 05/16/2002 9:47:44 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: Bohemund; thomasmore
Also note the pictures of him at the heretical and banned New Ways Ministry conference.

http://brianhalderman.net/newways.htm

http://www.couragerc.net/PRVaticanGramickNugent.html

CONGREGATION BANS TWO RELIGIOUS FROM MINISTRY TO HOMOSEXUALS

JULY 13, 1999 (VIS) - Made public today was a Notification from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith regarding Sr. Jeannine Gramick S.S.N.D. and Fr. Robert Nugent S.D.S., founders of the "New Ways Ministry" organization in the archdiocese of Washington, U.S.A.

For more than 20 years they have been involved in pastoral activities directed towards homosexual persons. They are also the authors of the book:" Building Bridges: Gay and Lesbian Reality and the Catholic Church." Below are some excerpts from the document - published in English, Italian, Spanish , French, German and Portuguese - which is signed by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger and Archbishop Tarcisio Bertone S.D.B., emeritus of Vercelli, respectively prefect and secretary of the congregation:

"From the beginning, in presenting the Church's teaching on homosexuality, Father Nugent and Sister Gramick have continually called central elements of that teaching into question. For this reason, in 1984, James Cardinal Hickey, the Archbishop of Washington, following the failure of a number of attempts at clarification, informed them that they could no longer undertake their activities in that Archdiocese. At the same time, the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and for Societies of Apostolic Life ordered them to separate themselves totally and completely from 'New Ways Ministry'."


22 posted on 05/16/2002 9:55:00 AM PDT by Diago
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To: aculeus
WHICH American cardinal recently disclosed to insiders a confidential letter he received from a bishop urging the cardinal to resign for the good of the church? The cardinal is being urged to quit before his much-gossiped-about homosexual indiscretions are uncovered by the media . . .

I'm not going to specualate, but I will pray he resigns.

23 posted on 05/16/2002 9:57:21 AM PDT by Diago
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To: aculeus
if the media outs this particular cardinal, "then the dominoes will really start to fall?"

Let's roll! The light of truth needs to shine on ALL of the vermin and scatter them OUT of the church.

24 posted on 05/16/2002 10:18:39 AM PDT by ELS
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To: ELS
Let's roll! The light of truth needs to shine on ALL of the vermin and scatter them OUT of the church.

Yes. Those dominoes need to fall, ASAP. The good of the Church requires it. Besides, the scandal that has been caused couldn't get much worse.

25 posted on 05/16/2002 10:23:01 AM PDT by Steve0113
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To: Diago
Born crooked... Born Again straight. HezSez.com
26 posted on 05/16/2002 10:24:05 AM PDT by highenergyzone
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To: Siobhan
I AM OUTRAGED! THIS IS AN ABOMINATION. WHAT AN AFFRONT TO GOD!

Thanks, Siobhan. I hope folks will help expose this travesty by forwarding this information (with a link to this thread) to Catholic media outlets like The Wanderer and DioceseReport.com.

27 posted on 05/16/2002 10:24:58 AM PDT by Diago
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To: aculeus
This would explain a lot.
28 posted on 05/16/2002 10:25:03 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Siobhan ; Diago
(cover-up, homosexual abuse lead to shooting):

From:washingtonpost.com

Man's Life, Faith Shattered: Family of Suspect in Shooting Says Church Failed to Listen

By Maureen O'Hagan
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, May 16, 2002; Page A14

In 1976, the Rev. Maurice Blackwell took holy water and poured it over the forehead of the infant Dontee Stokes, baptizing him into the Catholic Church just like every one of Dontee's 46 Stokes cousins.

Now Blackwell lies at Maryland Shock Trauma Center in fair condition with three gunshot wounds allegedly inflicted by Stokes. Stokes is in jail, where guards are watching to make sure he doesn't commit suicide. His family's beliefs have been broken and its strength tested in unimaginable ways.

Yesterday, relatives said none of this would have happened if church officials had listened years ago when Stokes told them that Blackwell had molested him.

"The church didn't want to help," said Stokes's uncle, Charles Stokes Jr. "The church didn't want to believe."

The church was the Baltimore Archdiocese and West Baltimore's St. Edward parish, where Blackwell was pastor and where Stokes's relatives were stalwart members.

His grandfather, Charles Stokes, taught Sunday school and served as a parish corporator, one of just two laypersons whose name was placed on the title of the St. Bernadine Roman Catholic Church property, where Blackwell was first assigned.

Charles Stokes said: "That man could preach. Sitting there, you would think you were listening to Martin Luther King."

Charles Stokes raised his 12 children to be good Catholics, and they, in turn, raised their children the same way. Charles Stokes Jr. considered becoming a priest himself, and a cousin works for the archdiocese.

Dontee Stokes attended Sunday school, and as a teenager was appointed youth group president. After youth meetings, Blackwell often called the young man up to his office for "discussions."

That set Stokes on a devastating course, Tamara Stokes, his mother, said yesterday.

When Dontee was about 14, she said, he began acting differently. She had no idea why. He skipped school and his grades dropped; she put him in the St. Francis Academy, "where the nuns could look out for him."

But Stokes seemed to have the same problems there. He finally told a psychologist that he had been molested, Tamara Stokes said. In 1993, police and the city's Department of Social Services investigated, and Dontee Stokes ultimately took two polygraph tests. The results were deemed credible.

Yet church officials -- the people Stokes had been raised to trust completely -- decided that his allegations were not credible and dismissed them. The effect was devastating.

"The issue was, nobody believed him," even some family members, said Charles Stokes.

"When I told my sister, she broke down and cried," he recalled. "I thought she was crying for Dontee. She was crying for the priest."

The priest was welcomed back to the pulpit warmly; Dontee Stokes and his mother left the church.

So did other family members, their devotion to Catholicism now shattered. "I've now got more Baptists in my family than Catholics," Charles Stokes said of his 70-member clan.

Dontee Stokes began to question his most fundamental beliefs.

"He would go in and out of depressed moods," sometimes refusing to come up out of the basement, Tamara Stokes said.

Once he attempted suicide by swallowing pills. He dropped out of high school. He had trouble holding jobs. He began drinking "to erase what had happened," according to his uncle.

And he became obsessed.

Dontee began collecting clippings of newspaper stories about priests who molested children, his mother said, and he would flip through them constantly. Once, she took them away, and he "tore the house up" looking for them.

Tamara Stokes, a postal worker and real estate broker, decided that her son needed a good job, so she put him through barber school.

For the past five years, Dontee Stokes cut hair at Superman's Barber Shop on Baltimore's west side. There, in recent months, as more and more reports of priests molesting young parishioners blared from the television set, co-workers said Stokes took an ever-increasing interest.

One day, Stokes saw Cardinal William H. Keeler -- who had overseen the investigation of his allegations -- announce that there had been no incidents in the Baltimore Archdiocese since 1980. To Stokes, it was yet another confirmation that his cries had not been heard.

"That was devastating to him," Tamara Stokes said.

On Monday night, Dontee Stokes was leaving his home on Mount Royal Terrace when he saw Blackwell, who had lived around the corner for several years. Stokes asked Blackwell for an apology, but, his grandfather said, the priest just laughed.

And then Stokes, who has no criminal record, did something he's never done before -- he allegedly pulled out a .357 magnum and fired three shots at Blackwell. Then he went down the street, and did something he's been doing all his life. He entered a church and prayed.

"It was a church where he'd never been before," said his attorney, Thomas McNicholas. "They were having some sort of revival. At the end, he asked for the minister's blessing. And then he promptly turned himself in."

Staff writer Hamil R. Harris and Metro researcher Bobbye Pratt contributed to this report.

© 2002 The Washington Post Company

29 posted on 05/16/2002 10:25:29 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Steve0113; els
Now is the time to get everything out there. And then we will need a St. Francis and St. Benedict to help rebuild out Church.
30 posted on 05/16/2002 10:28:01 AM PDT by Diago
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Of course, Maureen O'Hagan left out of her report that Dontee had contacted the police who investigated and did not press charges. How convenient...I'm sure she intended to include that information. </sarcasm>
31 posted on 05/16/2002 10:50:06 AM PDT by ELS
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To: Diago
Cleveland resident Brian Halderman is a faithful Catholic who plans to join the Marianist religious order -- the Society of Mary -- this summer as an openly gay man. ``Silence is violence on this issue,'' said the 25-year-old Halderman, a member of Ascension Catholic Church in Cleveland. ``Part of the body of Christ is gay, whether you like it or not.'' Halderman, who works for the Cleveland Diocese as the technology utilization manager in its secretariat for education, said he is bothered by conservative members of the church who believe gay Catholics are promoting a homosexual agenda. ``I have no other agenda than that of the gospel and my work is to build the kingdom,'' said Halderman, who is part of a Cleveland Diocese-sponsored support group for gays and lesbians.
Both the rainbow logo and the word "gay" are secular symbols. Halderman's use of both on his personal website -- as well as his link to "Out in Cleveland" -- belie his shilling for the secular homosexual agenda.

Diago, you mentioned as a footnote that "The gay pride events have subsequently been removed from the Diocese of Cleveland Website." Cleaned up and hidden is more like it. Follow the link on the right under "New(s) From the Diocese" for "Visit the new Parish Life web site at www.dioceseofcleveland.org/parishlife," which will bring you to the Secretariat for Parish Life and Development of the Catholic Diocese of Cleveland. There, under "Additional Ministries of the Secretariat" you will find a link for "Ministry to the Gay-Lesbian Catholic Community," which brings you to the "Gay and Lesbian Family Ministry of the Catholic Diocese of Cleveland" (mentioned in Halderman's website under "Spirituality") whose homepage banner is the secular rainbow logo, with a letter of introduction from the Most Rev. Anthony M. Pilla, Bishop of Cleveland. (How much would you like to bet that the rainbow logo is Halderman's addition?) Please note that the "Retreat for Gay and Lesbian Catholics" at the Jesuit Retreat House in Parma is still listed under Upcoming Events.

Jim Carney gives Dignity free publicity in his article, but fails to mention that Dignity has been banned from celebrating Masses in Roman Catholic churches (note that their Masses are celebrated in "a Congregational Church in downtown Columbus"). Likewise, nowhere is there any mention of the apostolate for Catholics with same-sex attractions that is endorsed by the Holy See, Courage. (I might add that Halderman makes no mention of Courage on his website either, but gives a hyperlink to "Out in Cleveland" instead. I'm astounded that the Marianists are even considering giving this guy a pulpit!)

I, too, suspect that Carney and Halderman know each other personally.

32 posted on 05/16/2002 10:51:42 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: ELS
Wouldn't be the first time The Washington Post failed to present all the facts. The Baltimore Sun printed the following: "...prosecutors have said that they declined to charge the priest with fourth-degree sexual assault because they could find no corroborating witnesses." Part of the unfortunate he said/he said aspect of these horrible, appalling, and grotesque stories.
33 posted on 05/16/2002 11:11:09 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Diago; ALL
I am preparing a letter to send to the President of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops in advance of next month's meeting in Dallas. I am going through the list of dioceses in the United States to check their websites and see whether they support Courage in their dioceses or are shilling for the secual gay activists. (The difference is that Courage eschews use of the word "gay" and other secular symbols such as the rainbow and lavendar triangle. Certain ministries like Dignity and New Way Ministries have already been officially banned.)

There are many diocesan websites to sift through (I count 195!), and I could use some help. If any of you would care to choose a diocese from this list and report to me, it would help me tremendously.

God bless.

34 posted on 05/16/2002 11:35:29 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: eastsider; siobhan
Thanks for taking a look at this garbage, eastsider. Simply incredible, isn't it? Lord have Mercy on us!

While the Jesuit Retreat for gays and lesbians is still listed, the Gay Pride events have, thankfully, been removed. These were events linked to the annual Gay Pride Weekend which includes a parade. This weekend, which I think is a national thing, is quite simply a celebration of homosexual perversions and sodomy.

The Diocese's site currently looks like this:

http://www.dioceseofcleveland.org/gayandlesbianfamilyministry/events/

But, you can still find how it used to look here:

http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:QtycYyK0r5QC:www.dioceseofcleveland.org/gayandlesbianfamilyministry/events/+interfaith+pride+cleveland&hl=en&ie=UTF8

And...if you scroll down to the bottom of http://www.dioceseofcleveland.org/gayandlesbianfamilyministry/events/ which is linked above, and click on webmaster, (at the very bottom of the page) you get our friend Holderman's email at the Diocese of Cleveland.

35 posted on 05/16/2002 11:39:47 AM PDT by Diago
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To: Siobhan
I live in the Cleveland diocese, Bishop Pilla just invited everyone from the diocese to hear him talk about some of these problems. He said he was going to have zero tolerance.

There are quite a few things I'd like to see changed. We need to get rid of some of these Judas's.

36 posted on 05/16/2002 11:41:06 AM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: eastsider
I am preparing a letter to send to the President of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops in advance of next month's meeting in Dallas. I am going through the list of dioceses in the United States to check their websites and see whether they support Courage in their dioceses or are shilling for the secual gay activists. (The difference is that Courage eschews use of the word "gay" and other secular symbols such as the rainbow and lavendar triangle. Certain ministries like Dignity and New Way Ministries have already been officially banned.)

There are many diocesan websites to sift through (I count 195!), and I could use some help. If any of you would care to choose a diocese from this list and report to me, it would help me tremendously.

Great! I'll take care of Ohio and get back to you.

37 posted on 05/16/2002 11:43:11 AM PDT by Diago
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To: Diago; ALL
I have just received an e-mail back from the Courage main office in New York. Evidently, a list by state of Courage chapters is posted on their website here, so this should help a lot. Since the list of diocese lists the cities in which the seats of the dioceses are locate, it's hard for me to tell what state is what.

What I'm getting at is that we might find the rogue dioceses faster by checking those that do not appear on the list of local Courage chapters.

38 posted on 05/16/2002 11:53:27 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: Diago
"...organization representing gay, lesbian and transgender Catholics. ``They've preached the Gospel..."

And which "Gospel" might that be?

39 posted on 05/16/2002 11:53:34 AM PDT by Psalm 73
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To: Diago
"The child sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic Church has put the issue of homosexuality in the spotlight. The most notorious of the accused abusers -- John Geoghan and Paul R. Shanley of the Boston Archdiocese -- have been gay priests charged with molesting or raping young boys.

First time in print I've seen Geoghan and Shanley referred to as gay priests. Prior to this, they've been "pedophile" or chararacterized as "having improper relationships".

40 posted on 05/16/2002 11:57:02 AM PDT by spald
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