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Measure to dump ban on straight-ticket voting to go on fall ballot
AP ^ | 5-14-02 | Kathy Barks Hoffman

Posted on 05/14/2002 4:50:48 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan

Measure to dump ban on straight-ticket voting to go on fall ballot

By KATHY BARKS HOFFMAN
The Associated Press
5/14/02 5:40 PM

LANSING, Mich. (AP) -- The Board of State Canvassers voted unanimously Tuesday to put a measure on the November ballot that would overturn a ban on straight-ticket voting.

That decision means a state law that took effect in March banning straight-ticket voting will be suspended until voters decide the matter for themselves on Nov. 5. Voters will be able to vote straight-ticket on that ballot.

The canvassers certified that the group PRO-VOTERS! had met the requirement of collecting 151,356 valid signatures. The group in March turned in 255,553 signatures; 195,877 were deemed valid by state elections officials.

The GOP-controlled Legislature last year voted to stop letting voters choose all the candidates from one political party by checking one box, an option most often used by Democrats. But straight-ticket voting advocates collected enough signatures to give voters a say in whether to keep the law.

They said straight-ticket voting is helpful because it shortens lines at polling places and is an option many voters statewide prefer.

The ban "really disenfranchises a lot of folks, whether you're Republican, Democrat or Libertarian," state Democratic Chairman Mark Brewer said Tuesday.

He added he was pleased the canvassers agreed the petitions met the necessary test to be on the ballot. When the petitions were filed, he said anger over the ban should encourage more Democrats to vote in November.

"We've taken a lemon and tried to make lemonade as far as what the Republicans tried to do to us," he said.

Michigan Republican Party spokesman Jason Brewer, no relation to Mark Brewer, said the party will oppose any efforts to keep the ban from being restored.

"The Democrats have spent a quarter of a million dollars to defeat election reform, but we think the voters of this state will ultimately shoot down their ballot initiative," Jason Brewer said.

Neither party has decided what campaign strategy it will follow to pass or defeat the measure.

If a majority of voters vote "yes" on the measure, straight-ticket voting will no longer be allowed after the Nov. 5 election. If a majority votes "no," the law will be struck down and straight-ticket voting will continue.

The exact language of the ballot proposal still must be decided.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: fraudmachines; idiotvoting; straightticket
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DAMNIT! We're in trouble here. Why? Because we have to vote YES to win. No usually wins automatically on ballots.

I'm voting yes. Lower the Detroit voting numbers.

1 posted on 05/14/2002 4:50:49 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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To: Dan from Michigan
Much easier to tell all those Detroit voters that they only need to pull one lever to get their free "walking around" money.
2 posted on 05/14/2002 5:51:57 PM PDT by ambrose
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Much easier to tell all those Detroit voters that they only need to pull one lever to get their free "walking around" money.

It will cost the democrat party 2 packs of smokes instead of one if their voters actually have to think first.

3 posted on 05/14/2002 6:32:34 PM PDT by VA Advogado
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To: Dan from Michigan
The ban "really disenfranchises a lot of folks, whether you're Republican, Democrat or Libertarian," state Democratic Chairman Mark Brewer said Tuesday.

Just who is disenfranchised? You're already in the voting both, so no one is denied the right to vote.

That being said, I plan to vote straight ticket Republican for the first time in my life in November.

5 posted on 05/14/2002 7:27:14 PM PDT by TX Bluebonnet
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To: semper_libertas
Duopoly? I think we really have a monopoly. The Incumbent Party is the only real one we have. It is the only one that wields power. There are just 2 branches.
6 posted on 05/14/2002 7:36:14 PM PDT by DrDavid
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To: TX Bluebonnet
I don't know if I'm going straight ticket or not. I never have in the past, but I just might end up doing so this time. I am for Gov, Sec of State, Senate, State Senate, AG, and State Rep since for the first time ever I think, I actually like all who is running in those seats(Unless the impossible happens and RINO Schwarz wins the primary). If I break on party, it will be on a board of education seat or something like that.
7 posted on 05/14/2002 7:36:20 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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To: semper_libertas
If you can't beat em, join em and change from within.

That's the ONLY POSSIBLE way to win, and there is no principle without winning.

8 posted on 05/14/2002 7:37:12 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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To: TX Bluebonnet
Straight ticket Republican voters dislodged every Democrat in Baldwin County, Alabama. There are absolutely zero Democrats in that county's government. The Democrats first cry was 'RACISM'!
9 posted on 05/14/2002 7:40:48 PM PDT by blam
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To: Dan from Michigan
This is a real bummer for the DemonRats. It's going to be a lot harder to coach the retards and old people to vote Demo.
10 posted on 05/14/2002 7:51:11 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: blam
It's interesting that the Demonrats are crying racism. By doing so, they're being racist by implying that the minorities that are voting for them are too stupid to figure out the new voting system.
11 posted on 05/14/2002 7:52:39 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: VA Advogado
It will cost the democrat party 2 packs of smokes instead of one if their voters actually have to think first.

It will cost the democrat party 4 packs of smokes instead of one if their voters actually have to be literate enough to read a ballot.

12 posted on 05/14/2002 7:53:17 PM PDT by reg45
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To: blam
I used to vote for the old time conservative Democrats that were on the local ballot, but by now those people have either retired or moved to the Republican Party.

Straight ticket Republican voters dislodged every Democrat in Baldwin County, Alabama.

The same thing could happen here. Should be interesting

13 posted on 05/14/2002 7:53:52 PM PDT by TX Bluebonnet
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"I used to vote for the old time conservative Democrats that were on the local ballot, but by now those people have either retired or moved to the Republican Party."

Yup, me too. My old high school buddy, Mobile county commissioner-D, was bounced out in the last election. We almost dumped all the Democrats in Mobile County also. Eight of the nine state Supreme Court Justices are now Republicans, the other is an Independent. Republicans in this state kicked butt in the last election, except for the governor who will go this next election.

14 posted on 05/14/2002 8:09:02 PM PDT by blam
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To: Dan from Michigan
Be sure to post the links or addresses for any organization that is put together to promote this measure. We need to support them.

Michigan is a swing state and Democrat vote fraud there could potentially determine who our next president will be. Therefore it is of national importance to combat the Dem's #1 fraud tool and make sure this thing passes.

18 posted on 05/14/2002 9:32:32 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: Dan from Michigan
If a majority of voters vote "yes" on the measure, straight-ticket voting will no longer be allowed after the Nov. 5 election. If a majority votes "no," the law will be struck down and straight-ticket voting will continue.

This is ass-backwards and has been done with ballot language on some Houston referendums as well.

The language on the petition and the language on the ballot were swapped so that YES means "no more" or "don't adopt a practice" while NO means "yes, continue with it" or "no, I agree that the practice should be adopted" or even "I don't know what this means so don't change things!!!"

19 posted on 05/14/2002 10:13:28 PM PDT by weegee
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To: semper_libertas
I don't agree with you on the evils of our two party system.

Europeans have coalition governments and I think that has led them into being more socialistic than our "duopoly" as you call it.

Our two major parties have to create our coalition governments before people vote, and so the trade-offs and the sell-outs are on the record before the election. In Europe, the people get to vote irresponsibly for whoever offers them the most goodies without consideration for the needs and views of other citizens. Then the winners of the free for all make the compromises behind closed doors so they can share in the power.

I think our way makes for more stable government, even though we may dislike the fact that lots of our fellow citizens do not agree with us on the role of government.

20 posted on 05/15/2002 1:08:30 AM PDT by patriciaruth
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