Gays defending faith and selves

The Beacon Journal ^ | Mon, May. 13, 2002 | Jim Carney

[scripter]

Gays defending faith? What about what Jesus said to the woman caught in adultery in John 8:11 "...Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."

[Bonaparte]

``The gay Catholic community is rightfully indignant at some of the church's statements,'' Sipe said, ``and, in fact, a good number of good Catholic priests who are homosexual in orientation have told me how wounded they feel, that they have given their whole life to the church and have been celibate and the church labels them as intrinsically defective.''

What on earth is this idiot ex-priest/therapist talking about? Celibacy (forgoing marriage) has nothing to do with these priests -- chastity is the issue. And, beyond that, Sipe doesn't seem to realize that a "good priest," as he puts it, does not "orient" himself around an abomination.

[scripter]

Ping.

[arthurus]

the church labels them as intrinsically defective.

All have crosses to bear. If a priest or anyone else bases his identity in his homo- or hetero-sexuality then he is not bearing his. A priest who advertises his sexuality has misinterpreted his calling. I do not know the sexual orientation of any of the priests I have known. It is not the focus of their lives. They have no need to discuss it or "act out." They are priests. A homosexual priest who gravitates toward Dignity is flaunting his sexuality. It IS his identity. He has a problem that he has not overcome. He is not avoiding "near occasions of sin."

[SoothingDave]

``God made me gay. I am going to embrace it.''

God made Bill Clinton a womanizing adulterer. He embraced that.

SD

[yendu bwam]

I'm not for a witch hunt of homosexuals in the Church. BUT - it's crazy to have a church with huge numbers of homosexual men. This has led to seminaries turned into homosexual brothels, with commonplace rampant promiscous homosexual sex occurring in them. (I recently read about a survey of homosexual priests in which only 3% or so claimed to be chaste - and the stories coming out about seminaries are frightening.) Though not all homosexual men abuse teenage boys, a high enough percentage of them do TO HAVE CREATED THIS ENTIRE CRISIS. Finally, what parent in their right mind can let their teenage boys be in close quarters with a priest today, or think that their sons will necessarily be getting a solid grounding in Catholic sexual morality from their priest? When I (and millions of other parents) cannot trust their priests around their children, something needs to change. We are taught to show love and compassion for homosexuals (despite their disordered sexuality) as for anyone else. That does not mean that it's a good idea to have a highly homosexual priesthood. It's not.

[alex]

Sorry for naive question, if priest is a gay should he be celibate too ?

[truth_seeker]

Harwood said there is much confusion among people in the church and elsewhere over the issue of child sexual abuse.

There should be no confusion among people in the church, over this issue. There should be no confusion among people in the church, gay or straight over this issue.

That there IS or APPEARS to be confusion, will continue to hurt the catholic church. I am not catholic, but my wife is. She completely agrees.

[yendu bwam]

``It seems that people are equating that with a homosexual orientation, which is not correct,'' she said. ``The information that is available indicates it is not more likely for a homosexual person to have difficulty with sexual abuse any more than it would be for a heterosexual person.''

This is ridiculous. A minority of priests who are homosexual have perpetrated 95% of these molestations against teenage boys. Ipso facto, it's quite clear that homosexual priests have had far, far, far more difficulty keeping themselves away from teenagers than have heterosexual priests. It's absurd not to admit the obvious.

[dighton]

All have crosses to bear. If a priest or anyone else bases his identity in his homo- or hetero-sexuality then he is not bearing his. A priest who advertises his sexuality has misinterpreted his calling. I do not know the sexual orientation of any of the priests I have known. It is not the focus of their lives. They have no need to discuss it or "act out." They are priests. A homosexual priest who gravitates toward Dignity is flaunting his sexuality. It IS his identity. He has a problem that he has not overcome. He is not avoiding "near occasions of sin."

IMHO, very well said.

[chatham]

This guy Halderman is an arrogant ass and intends to bring his active Homosexual lifestyle into the priesthood,will he bring Aids too???

His Bishop and the Priest in charge of the Seminary should be defrocked if this idiot becomes a priest.

Homosexuals are trying to bring their teachings of the Homosexual lifestyle into the public schools for dissemination to children as young as 3rd and 4th grade.

They also want to teach the mechanics of Homosexual sex to these children as if it is a normal lifestyle.

I really can't believe this guy Halderman is so Brazen as to push his aberrant lifestyle at this point in time.

[SoothingDave]

Sorry for naive question, if priest is a gay should he be celibate too ?

The Church teaches, quite simply, that sex is a gift to be used only in the bonds of marriage. A priest is not married, therefore he should not be having sexual relations with anyone. Whether he would like to do it with men or women is beside the point. Sexual activity outside of marriage is strictly verboten.

SD

[Armando Guerra]

Celibacy: The condition or state of life of an unmarried person, particularly of one who vows never to marry.

Chastity: Never voluntarily having had sexual intercourse.

You are correct in noting the difference.

Sister Rita Mary Harwood: ``The church calls all of us to live a chaste life and outside of marriage to live a celibate life,'' she said. ``And just as the church calls a heterosexual person to refrain from sexual relations outside of marriage, it also calls a homosexual person to refrain from sexual relations.''

I don't normally agree with these outreach groups because they do tend to say it is okay to be gay since God made you that way. However, what Sister Rita is saying is what the Church does say. She does seem to correctly grasp that an inclination to be attracted to the same sex is not the same as acting on it. Gays are not to engage in homosexual relations and if the outreach programs help parishioners struggling to lead chaste lives then it is fine. Sipe, however, seems to have a problem with the Church saying homosexuality is wrong and priests should not be identifying themselves with that lifestyle.

[Jerrybob]

Gays on the defense. It's about time.

[Armando Guerra]

All have crosses to bear...

Excellent post.

[yendu bwam]

It is not the focus of their lives.

How do you know that? All the parents of abused teenage boys presumed the same.

[eastsider]

``They are on a witch hunt,'' said a gay priest who says Mass for a group of gay Catholics called Dignity meeting at a Congregational Church in downtown Columbus two Sunday evenings a month.

Dignity is meeting in a Congregational Church because Dignity has been banned from Catholic churches. The only approved Catholic ministry to those with same-sex attractions is Courage.

The Catholic men and women of Courage lead chaste lives in accordance with the Church's traditional teaching that homosexual acts are intrinsically evil, and do not even identify with themselves as "gay." Anyone identifying him/herself as a "gay Catholic" is shilling for the "gay activist" and are about as Catholic as "Catholics for Choice."

[TacomaJoe]

"Gay people, she said, ``are ordinary men and women carrying on ordinary lives.''"

HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA-Part I! How can sexually active Christian homosexuals, especially Catholics, consider themselves " ordinary men and women carrying on ordinary lives". They not only ignore the teachings of the Church, but the Bible too. This is like a married person having sex outside of marriage as a part of his/her normal ordinary everyday lifestyle. Both are sins, neither of which can receive forgiveness if continued as "normal", the difference is that homosexuality is concidered abnormal.

[Caipirabob]

Homosexual Christian=Oxymoron

Either you abide by the covenant of faith or find another religion. You simply cannot be homosexual and Christian. Homosexuality is explicitly condemned in Christianity. It's condemned by nature itself.

I posted this before in response to someone who suggested that homosexuality was natural and occured within the animal kingdom, as if it were an excuse for perversion.

And yet Creation allows for homosexual behavior in the animal kingdom. Why?

Allow me to summarize the concept of homosexual behavior in the animal kingdom.

EXTINCTION

Yes, the great mechanism that Darwinists everywhere have embraced as a means to dispose of "that which is unfit to exist" or "that which should not survive". The great purge of the obscure, obsolete and useless. Making space and freeing up resources for those organisms that function properly and effectively within the natural order of life.

Extinction : The great tool by which all of nature's failures are erased.

Perhaps we should revisit exactly what occured with the Dinosaurs. Did Mr. T-rex suddenly lose interest in Ms. T-Rex? Was that giant meteor thing just a big sham? Is this yet another dark secret being guarded by the militant homosexual mafia? Inquiring minds want to know!