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To: Jorge
"So the idea that a priest in the church should even define themself as homosexual, celibate or not, defies the Church's teachings". OF COURSE THAT'S TRUE. Nor should a priest define themselves as heterosexual or pansexual or any-which-way-sexual. But people are born certain ways: heterosexual, homosexual, non-sexual, pan-sexual, whaterverwhichwaysexual. That's a FACT. That's how God ordered the world, whether or not you care for that reality.But if somebody's gonna be a priest and take the vow of, yes, CHASTITY, they have an obligation to kiss all that BYE-BYE, no matter WHAT gets their friggin' you-know-whats-off. (By the way, doctrinally, the RC church accepts homosexuality as a biologically natural orientation, but doesn't accept homosexual sex.Although I am heterosexual, I haven't quite figured out the philosophical consistency of this one)Look, I am as ANGRY as anyone else about the freaknut gay guys who have taken over the Roman Catholic Church. But the evil isn't in their gayness (there are many great born-gay priests who don't rape their young parishoners). The evil is in all these other bogus priests' predatory false-catholocism. You can't blame this on all gays any more than you can blame male on female rape on all heterosexual guys, OK?
55 posted on 05/12/2002 8:22:25 PM PDT by leilani
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To: leilani
"So the idea that a priest in the church should even define themself as homosexual, celibate or not, defies the Church's teachings".

OF COURSE THAT'S TRUE. Nor should a priest define themselves as heterosexual or pansexual or any-which-way-sexual.
But people are born certain ways: heterosexual, homosexual, non-sexual, pan-sexual, whaterverwhichwaysexual. That's a FACT. That's how God ordered the world, whether or not you care for that reality.

God WHO? Certainly not the God of the Bible.

Nowhere in the Bible or the Judeo-Christian faith will you find any teaching that God "ordered" homosexuality, pedophilia or any other sexual perversion.
Why would God "order" things which He condemns as sin and prohibits?
Is God the creator of sin? I don't think so.

But once again, the Bible teaches that heterosexuality is God's design and created intent for human sexuality.
There is nothing inherently sinful about identifying oneself as heterosexual.

63 posted on 05/12/2002 8:56:39 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: leilani
But people are born certain ways: heterosexual, homosexual...

The Holy Father has already named this very statement as blasphemy against God, Who tempts no man to sin. I suggest you repent for the sake of your soul.
67 posted on 05/13/2002 12:30:44 AM PDT by Thundergod
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To: leilani
You can't blame this on all gays any more than you can blame male on female rape on all heterosexual guys, OK?

It's wrong to blame this on all homosexuals. But when virtually all of the molestation has occurred at the hands (and other parts) of homosexual priests, AND given that they are still (barely, it would seem) a minority in the priesthood, there is a very clear link between homosexuality and these molestations. Just think. The majority of priests are heterosexual, but the vast, vast majority of the cases are homosexual. There are indeed honorable homosexual priests. But many of them are sexually attracted to teenage boys, and a good many of those can't control their attractions.

71 posted on 05/13/2002 5:28:18 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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