[sinkspur]

The Church has ALWAYS condemned it and even the new testament says that God leaves homosexuals "to the death they deserve" and refuses to help them.

The Church does not condemn the homosexual; homosexual ACTS are disordered and are sinful.

I daresay God does help homosexuals, if they ask.

[Thorondir]

IF they ask. But how will that happen if we keep telling them that their sexual disorientation is just an alternate healthy lifestyle? Read the passage in Romans. It is very harsh and says just what I told you it does. Read it.

[Thorondir]

FURTHERMORE: Don't confuse the words "it" and "them", my friend. They have different meanings.

[yendu bwam]

I daresay God does help homosexuals, if they ask.

God helps anyone who asks and truly wants the help. Homosexuals are loved by God, just as anyone else. But what's difficult is that many active homosexuals (those who engage in homosexual acts) have been conditioned to believe that they don't heed any help. When a man feels it's good and normal and Godly to put his sexual organ up another man's rectum, or to engage in multiple sex acts with anonymous partners, he clearly needs help. The Catechism makes all the sense in the world, and is true to scripture. The acts are sinful and disordered, but the homosexual is loved by God.

[BlackElk]

While it is the homosexual act that is condemned, the homosexual who does not repent is also condemned. Before there is forgiveness there must be repentance and that repentance is a concession of sinfulness. While all of us sin, there are few sins so vile as the pederasty, pedophilia, ephebophilia (for those who make a big deal of the difference) or homosexual acts with "consulting adults." The abuse of children adds extra dimensions but we have seen enough now to understand that zero tolerance is in order as to this "intrinsically disordered" way of life. Suspend on suspicion. Defrock on adequate proof and hold the offender up before the community as an example.