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Response to reply #30:

From a NEwsMAx article posted on FR describing Bodanskys statements made during his appearance on Fox News:

The official warning memo indicated that there would be an attempt by ME terrorists to attack a Federal building in the Heartland of AMerica using "lily whites". Bodansky said the memo included a list of likely targets and the Murrah building was one of the targets on the list. The reference to lily whites has been widely interpreted as a reference to Americans who had no criminal records and who were Caucasians. SOme have suggested it may have even been a reference to McVeigh , Nichols and other domestic John Does.

Bodansky indicated his memo went to those Federal law enforcement, intelligence groups and members in COngress with a need to know. I do not know specifically who he was referring to. But...

Bodansky was the Director of the House Task Force on Terrorism at the time he prepared and sent out his memo. Bodansky's boss was the Chairman of the House Task Force on Terrorism, Republican COngressman James Saxon of New Jersey. Presummably Bodansky would have sent his memo to Saxon, Bodasnkys boss, and to other members of the House TAsk Force.

According to the LA Weekly, Bodansky called KFORTV reporter Jayna Davis in 1996 and asked/told her not to go public with BOdanskys memo because it was "too hot". Bodansky had either given Davis a copy or read/described to her a copy of his memo or both. "Too hot" may have been a reference to the embarassment and cuplability of elected and law enforcement officials who had seen the memo before the bombing including Saxon and other members of the House TAsk Force. In effect, BOdansky was covering up then and covered this up until after 9/11.

Davis helped Bodansky in the sense that she did not reveal the specifics of the Bodansky memo for almost six years even though she had the details and was urged by investigators, attorneys and journalists to reveal the details. She also had the opportunity to reveal the details at the McVeigh trial and the OKC COunty grand jury but did not to my knowledge. She could have revealed the details of the memo several years before her pregnancy and several years after her pregnancy but did not.

I have spoken personally to OK COngressman Istook and Senator Inhofe about information they allegedly received pertaining to a ME connection to the OKC bombing. Istook is to have told two Sherifffs deputies the night of the bombing that the government had received a threat from a local ME terror group on APril 9, 1995 and Istook said "we blew it". The deputies were to have testified before the OKC County grand jury. One of the Sheriffs, Dave Kochendorfer, was threatened by FBI agent James Carlisle before his testimony before the grand jury. The two sheriffs held a news conference in Dec 1997 about their encounter with Istook on the night of the bombing.

Inhofe's chief of staff, Herb Johnson, wrote a letter describing the fact that an FBI agent at the FBI command center in OKC told Johnson the week of the bombing that the DOJ wanted to keep the ME involvement out of the press and from the public. I spoke directly to Inhofe about this in January 1999. So far he has taken no adequate action with the information.

I have written and posted several articles about IStook and Inhofe on the FreeRepublic since 2000.

I was able to find a response that I had given to Honway on April 18, 2002. I am reprinting all of it this time because it gives some background on what is going on. The entire thread was pulled so this response was pulled when the thread was pulled. I know there have been some questions raised about Pat's background and he has responded. I am not sure what his present occupation is because he had said recently that he is still unemployed. He had said that he has been unemployed since 1986.

Here is what I posted on April 18:
A while back, I said something to you about responding to Pat Briley’s comments on Free Republic about Jayna Davis. This thread seems to have fizzled out, but maybe the people that are interested will still see it. If you find my comments helpful, please flag anyone you know that would be interested. Some of the comments I am responding to are on other threads. I know you feel that people should not be attacking one another, but also Freepers should not be allowed to get away with posting such lies.

The derogatory postings did not begin until this year. Pat had never criticized Jayna or BlueDogDemo until January of this year. The problem began because Pat was mad at them for not returning his telephone calls. He felt cut out and started lashing out on the Internet. He also felt like he was not getting credit for contributions he had made to the investigation of the OKC Bombing. His January postings give his motives for the sudden turn-around. Jayna has not been in any situation to acknowledge everyone that has helped her, so it is a shame that he is directing his anger at her.

Pat is also angry because no one has investigated for him his Traveler’s Aid evidence and feels like a lot of repercussions will come from this failure. He is lashing out at many people for this failure. He sees a lack of cooperation (His characterization) between different investigators as an impediment to getting the complete truth out. This makes him extremely angry. He has a lot of harsh criticism towards Jayna because of this. He wants to draw Jayna away from all she is doing to answer these accusations. Besides the physical toll that all this has taken on her, she frankly needs to devote her energies elsewhere right now. Free Republic is an important forum, but it is obvious from the comments that the Freepers still have great respect for her. However, I thought I would give it a shot to try to respond to some of the accusations. I will not try to do all of them, but I hope my answers will give you a sense of how Jayna operates and why I have such profound respect for her investigative abilities.

Since September 11, there has been renewed interest in the Middle Eastern connection to the OKC Bombing. Jayna is fielding calls from interested parties, and this has led to several articles being written. Fox News has done an outstanding job of bringing the issues to the public. She has made two trips to D.C. to meet with key people so she has had to spend countless hours updating her investigation. The part that she has left with several important groups and individuals has around 2,000 pages. Keeping in touch with witnesses, sending out press packets, “making copies”, is a full-time job. It has been since 1995. There is a limit to how much one person should be expected to do. She also has a 4-year old to raise. She cannot investigate all the information that is given her. She is doing her very best.

Jayna’s investigation has focused mostly on the Middle Eastern connection. The first lead came from a call to the station from a lady who was concerned that the FBI did not seem to be investigating a lead she felt was very important. That led to the initial story that was aired on KFOR. That initial tip would lead Jayna to start asking questions and one thing would lead to another. That is usually the nature of a good investigation. KFOR did not ignore the domestic side. In fact, there were several stories done about domestic terrorism.

I have had the privilege of observing Jayna first-hand in her investigation and have the utmost respect for her abilities. Unlike the amateur investigators, she was trained at the University of Texas as an investigative reporter. That was always her specialty and KFOR hired her as an investigative reporter. Her 2,000-page investigation is incredible! She has an extremely high standard for information to find its way into that report. She does not put in everything that comes her way.

One of the things that we were aware of early on is that there would be agents of disinformation sent our way. You had to do a lot of questioning of information knowing that 90% of it could be the absolute truth, but were these people giving you 10% lies in order to discredit you. It was hard to know whom to trust. It was also obvious that there were people willing to lie about Jayna to trash her reputation. A call fielded by the late Jack Eden, a radio talk show host in Oklahoma City, woke us up to that reality.

Pat mentions J.D.Cash in an earlier posting and how Cash threatened Pat’s life. So it does surprise me that Pat would want Jayna to work with him. I will not go into the reasons why, but Cash came under suspicion right away as being an agent of disinformation. Pat says that Jayna tried to steer Pat away from domestic terrorism. Since Jayna definitely believes in the domestic terrorism angle of all this, she would not steer Pat away from it. She would try to steer him away from certain individuals, like J.D. Cash. Pat says that Cash expressed disdain for his talking to Jayna and the Middle Eastern connection. The Clinton administration had a definite agenda and did not want the M.E. connection to come out. If Cash was an agent of disinformation, it makes sense that he would trash Jayna. In fact, I have seen information on Free Republic about Cash that indicated that others were suspicious of him. I would also put Roger Charles in the camp of the Clinton administration.

Pat mentions Charles Key in his posting. Key is one of those amateur investigators that did not filter out things, which may have been given to him to discredit him. He had a lady on his staff named Kate McCauley, who absolutely fit the profile of an agent of disinformation. I received a call from a relative who had heard Key speak. Kate was with him. My relative has had extensive experience investigating disinformation agents. She had investigated one such agent that was used after Waco. She said that she visited with Kate after Key spoke and was disturbed by how she ended up coming to Oklahoma City to help Key. Something did not add up to her. I also visited with Kate, and realized that she was another one that was trying to steer the investigation away from M.E. involvement and focus only on domestic. I am not sure how much harm she did to Key’s investigation since I was not personally involved, but I do know that Key was a late-comer to making the M.E. connection an important focus. Another problem is that he did not filter out the inconsistencies in the witnesses that he presented to the grand jury. His desire was that the grand jury would figure out the truth. This may have caused him to lose credibility. I do not know how much Kate had to do with his decision. If she was an agent of disinformation, then her goal may have been to try to discredit his investigation. Give him 90% truth, but ruin him with the 10% of lies. I have seen people lose their credibility with Freepers when there was just one little inaccuracy. It does not surprise me that Jayna would find it hard to work with Key, and I am sure that Kate wanted it that way, too. Kate McCauley was asked by McVeigh to be one of his witnesses when he was executed. She had started corresponding with him while he was incarcerated. She also assisted Lou Michel and Dan Herbeck with their book on McVeigh that spouted the official government line.

Another problem in investigating the domestic side was the long list of government informants, Carol Howe, Millar, Mahon, Strassmier, to name a few. Pat has mentioned these and others. The M.E. connection was easy compared to the mess on the domestic side. Jayna does not have the resources to begin to whack through that mess. She is comfortable with the accuracy of what she has on the M.E. side. It is not as simple as Pat makes it seem. It is a shame that he is criticizing her for not doing this investigation the way he wanted it done. It is O.K. to have a difference of opinion but he is publicly criticizing Jayna in a most vicious manner. This is bewildering.

Jayna has fought to maintain her credibility. When you are lumped in with people that have lost their credibility, it can be hard to overcome. Nita Nupress has had some very wise comments and some instruction on how to get people to listen. Glory girl also had some suggestions. Keep It Simple Stupid (KISS). You cannot just dump all you know on people and you have to use wisdom. Jayna has tried to use wisdom in every decision she has made. Others are second-guessing her, but I think she has done an outstanding job. She has had to negotiate minefields.

Pat has commented numerous times that he was responsible for Jayna going to the FBI in 1999. The reason she decided to try again in 1999 had nothing to do with Pat or anyone else who had been telling her the same thing. It had to do with one call from a witness. I cannot go into details but Jayna called the FBI after this witness called and said, “I am not the Department of Justice, I am not the FBI. I will not be responsible if something else happens. You need to investigate what is going on.”

Pat also takes credit for getting her with Schippers. Several of us had read Schippers book and all of us who had read it (Jayna, her husband, me) were saying, “Call Schippers”. Great minds think alike. Pat may have called Schippers and told him to call Jayna but Schippers did not call her. Jayna initiated the call. Pat was one of many that recognized in Schippers the qualities that Jayna needed.

Another accusation involves Pat taking credit for Al Hussaini information in late April of ’95. Actually, this was before the stories even aired on KFOR, so he may have his dates wrong. The Republican Guard information that was on Hussein was in the Gazette so many people had that information including Jayna. He may be talking about the information on the prisoners captured during the Gulf War including the Republican Guard that were later brought to the U.S. during the Clinton administration. He accuses Jayna of taking this information off another reporter’s desk. Jayna said that this is an absolute lie.

While I am writing this small book, sorry about the length, I did want to point out another inconsistency in Pat’s recent postings. He mentions on February 18, Post #20, Paul Bedard. Pat writes the following, “At the time, the author, Paul Bedard, told me that the original source of his information came out of the Assistant Secretary of Defense’s office for Paul Wolfowitz.” That was also what he told Jayna. There is a huge difference in what he says in other postings where it was Wolfowitz himself. Bedard denied that he told Pat that it was Wolfowitz himself. No wonder Bedard was upset with Pat. It looks like another door closed to Pat.

Pat obviously has alienated many people, (by his own admission). He has now alienated Jayna by his accusations. This posting does not begin to address all the untruths that have been told by Pat. For a while, I did not choose to respond to the untruths, hoping that his hurt and anger would subside. I have tried to respond in a way where I gave some information on how this investigation has progressed and why certain decisions were made. I tried to keep the attacks on Pat to a minimum although I am extremely angry with him. (You should have read my first draft!)

Free Republic is an incredible forum but it can be misused. In this case, it has been. I am glad that there are people listening to Jayna.

In response to someone on another thread I posted the following:

That is one of many accusations.
There would be a whole group of Freepers that would criticize Jayna if she had appeared at the McVeigh trial and had helped him. In fact, I am rather surprised at that criticism.

She tried to get O’Reilly interested in it, but he cut her off before she could get all the information out. That was May of 2001. Jayna had wanted to bring out everything on the prior warning on that program. It was very much beyond her control. Our Governor Keating was on right before her and his segment went over and Jayna was not allowed to say what she went on there to talk about. She had every intention of bringing all of the warning information out. I have listened to the Quinn program again and Schippers just says it is now time to start speaking out. He is talking about speaking out in general. He does not say on the prior warning.

Here is a run down of some of the people Jayna tried to give the information on the prior warning to:

January of 1997 – Oklahoma County D.A.’s office
1997-Grand Jury (another lie of OKCSubmariner is that she did not tell the Grand Jury about the prior warning-not true- she was totally upfront with them but who knows what the FBI said or the D.A.’s office said to contradict her. One of the assistant D.A.’s did contact Bodansky)
1997-FBI office
1999-FBI office
May, 2001-McVeigh’s defense team. McVeigh’s lawyers evidently do not want to pursue the information.
2000 and 2001-Nichols defense team (both state and federal)
Congress (both houses)

OKCSubmariner would lead you to believe that he has pressed for the Middle Eastern connection all along and the prior warning. He was one of Jayna’s worst critics about what she had, along with Key and others. He wanted to focus on the domestic side. If someone has the long response I gave on April 18, 2002, to answer some of OKCSubmariner’s lies, feel free to repost it. I do not have it in a format that I could repost it. I would have to retype it. It explains why OKCSubmariner has turned against Jayna. It started when she would not return his phone calls in January of this year. (When she was at KFOR, the station had to ask OKCSubmariner to quit calling Jayna. He was a telephone stalker).

There seems to be many armchair quarterbacks on Free Republic. Jayna was trying to get people to listen but when there is a media blackout, it is hard. My previous reply would explain why certain individuals had lost their credibility and Jayna could not use them to get information out. If someone cannot find a way to repost it, I will try to retype it but it will be a while. I am beginning to see that it is a waste of time to deal with someone like OKCSubmariner who has a vendetta and will post lies. You can never win when someone is willing to say anything to make his point. In addition, I am very offended that OKCSubmariner would say that Jayna’s friends are being misled. I have talked almost daily on the telephone with Jayna. I have proofread most of her investigation. I have lived and breathed this investigation for seven years. I have witnessed her efforts to maintain her credibilty and trying to decide whom you can trust and who is out to destroy you. I have seen the financial sacrifice her family has made to get this information into the right hands. I could go on and on but I think you get the picture.

122 posted on 7/9/02 2:32 PM Central by Nancie Drew
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