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To: Austin Willard Wright
Actually, no. The placebo effect has been increasing noticeably over the past 15 years or so, a very puzzling development. Drugs that passed muster in 1985 (superior to placebo and roughly equivalent to a tricyclic antidepressant (the 'gold standard' AD)) might not pass today. In fact, one large pharma company couldn't show effectiveness for a trial of an noradrenergic reuptake inhibitor, but also included in that trial was a control group that took Prozac (fluoxetine) and a control group that took a placebo. *Neither* Prozac nor the experimental drug proved superior to a placebo!!.
112 posted on 05/09/2002 8:57:12 AM PDT by NukeMan
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To: NukeMan
The placebo effect has been increasing noticeably over the past 15 years or so, a very puzzling development.

Perceptive point. Maybe Eli Lilly salted the original trials. You can get some evidence of that just by looking at the exclusion criteria in the PDR. Others who have looked at FOIA'd clinical trial data and written about it say some pretty startling things about what went on in the clinical trials used for approving Prozac.

113 posted on 05/09/2002 9:22:04 AM PDT by Al B.
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To: NukeMan
The placebo effect has been increasing noticeably over the past 15 years or so, a very puzzling development. Drugs that passed muster in 1985 (superior to placebo and roughly equivalent to a tricyclic antidepressant (the 'gold standard' AD)) might not pass today.

Is it possible that the diagnosis of depression has become softer over the last 15 years? I think it has, certainly when it comes to family Dr's prescribing meds. But does that also effect the groups admitted to the study?

137 posted on 05/09/2002 11:45:34 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: NukeMan
The placebo effect has been increasing noticeably over the past 15 years or so

Is that in comparison with antipsychotics, antidepressants and/or other candidate CNS drugs, or across the spectrum of all indications? Also, are there any studies on this matter? Thanks.

183 posted on 05/11/2002 8:30:50 AM PDT by monkey
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