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Plainfield, Indiana arab killed in crash, has three IDs and four checkbooks with different names.
WIBC-AM radio, AP ^ | May 7, 2002 | AP

Posted on 05/07/2002 7:02:52 AM PDT by caddie

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To: caddie
We really need to start rounding these scumbags up and deporting them.
201 posted on 05/07/2002 3:13:01 PM PDT by exnavy
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To: cake_crumb
Absolutely. This guy who crashed is at best a petty criminal, at worst a terrorist. Its a good lead, and I wouldn't be surprised if this mosque is a hub for terroristic activities. But that doesn't necessarily even mean that all the muslims attending there are conspirators.
202 posted on 05/07/2002 3:14:46 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: bybybill
Kurt Vonnegut was a WW2 vet (decorated).

John Glenn was a Korean war vet (decorated).

Both are commies and America-hating traitors.

203 posted on 05/07/2002 3:18:18 PM PDT by caddie
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To: Samwise
Does anyone know when this accident occured? I live in Bartholemew county, Columbus,IN. I was at work today and saw that the I-65 N ramp was blocked off by a state trooper at exit 55. I wonder if this was it. If he was northbound, he must have been heading home to Plainfield from some southern location. Louisville?
204 posted on 05/07/2002 3:36:09 PM PDT by boop
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To: caddie
Relax, just a bad case of multiple personalities.
205 posted on 05/07/2002 3:43:46 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: all
We interrupt this thread with a news bulletin. The mail box bomber may have been seen in Utah. That is very close to Kaliland by I80 with basically no speedlimit. Or if this circle jerk does another circle, states south and east and north of Utah may be next.

Here is a photo of this deranged terrorist:

Go to this link for more up todate data: (link)

Stay alert and safe. Gray Davis and his band are bad enough to be roaming on our streets!

206 posted on 05/07/2002 3:47:12 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: caddie
The problem with you, if you don't mind me pointing this out, is that you fail to appreciate a credible threat from a group of individuals who desire to subvert our government, kill as many of us as possible, and destroy our way of life, which they think is obscene.

What a load of crap. While I don't expect you to be familiar with all my postings, I have previously condemned CAIR and Zogby, asking where are their condemnations of the terrorists(including the suicide bombers, Hammas, et. al.), and continue to ask that. Funny how you ignore my support of racial profiling. But try as you might to frame it as such, the argument is not about whether I perceive such an obvious threat. The argument is partly over realistic solutions versus simple minded draconian measures that injure many, many innocents when better solutions could achieve the same results at far less cost. But most of all my argument is against ridiculously broad generalizations based on emotions and not facts. If one muslim is a terrorist, than all are.

Five years ago I was for a Palestinian state, now I am adamently against it. I have previously said that we should step out and say no support for a state until there has been 5 years with no violence, any bombing starts the clock over. I am all for taking the war on terrorism to Iraq, and if they refuse to reform and renounce terrorism then Iran, Syria, Lybia, Cuba, and in the long-term perhaps even Saudia Arabia, North Korea, and China. But it can't be done all at once, or even this decade. Bush has his hands tied in a chess game, and I'll trust the prosecution of the war to him and Rumsfield. But because I don't think in simplistic terms and condemn every muslim for the actions of some, you just assume that I am a liberal(more simplistic stereotyping). If every muslim in America is a terrorist, as you claim, just because of their religion, then I must ask you: Are you for reparations, do you feel the burden of the sins of your slaveholding ancestors(even if none of YOUR relatives were slaveholders, since you are an American?) Its the same logic, guilt by association on a macro scale. Of course we bear no guilt for the actions of earlier Americans, yet you blame all muslims for the acts of just some?

One of my favorite professors was a muslim. He was a conservative in a liberal field(how can that be, aren't all professors liberal, according to simplistic sweeping generalizations and stereotypes?), loved America, patriotic, and routinely debunked liberal myths. Yet according to you, because he is a muslim immigrant, he is a sleeper, a danger to America, and a supporter of the terrorists. Should we send him back?(Oops, too late, he is already a naturalized citizen). Again, you fail to distinguish between individuals and so called leaders. Sharpton, Farrakahn, Jackson, Waters, etc. are hate-mongering socialist racists, does that mean we should deport all blacks? Goodness I hope you don't believe that. But I am actually afraid to ask. Or lets hit closer to home. McVeigh was an American, so is Dahmer, Lear, Baldwin, and Daschle, do they speak for all Americans? The Turner Diaries are pretty extreme, does that mean all conservatives are extreme? Many of the militia types have libertarian/conservative backgrounds, does that mean all conservatives are of those beliefs? Your simplistic lumping of everyone of a religion, skin-color, or belief system into a monolithic stereotype fails on all logical levels. Again, I'll state that these are factors to consider, but not to damn someone on alone.

I fully appreciate the threats and support Bush, Ashcroft, and Ridge in their attempts to secure America. Maybe it isn't enough, and I'm not against criticizing them, but knee-jerk extreme arguments such as rounding every muslim into detention camps is not the solution. Nor is unleashing nuclear bombs on half the Middle East as some here always suggest. But of course, in your eyes since I disagree with a portion of your argument, you declare that I'm thus a liberal, I'm PC, I'm an apologist. Those simplistic debate tactics of stereotyping have more in common with the left than with those of a Coulter, Boortz, or Levin. And comparing yourself to Jefferson is laughable.

207 posted on 05/07/2002 3:49:24 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Corrected first paragraph:

What a load of crap. While I don't expect you to be familiar with all my postings, I have previously condemned CAIR and Zogby, asking where are their condemnations of the terrorists(including the suicide bombers, Hammas, et. al.), and continue to ask that. Funny how you ignore my support of racial profiling. But try as you might to frame it as such, the argument is not about whether I perceive such an obvious threat. The argument is partly over realistic solutions versus simple minded draconian measures that injure many, many innocents when better solutions could achieve the same results at far less cost. But most of all my argument is against ridiculously broad generalizations based on emotions and not facts, such as "If one muslim is a terrorist, than all are".

208 posted on 05/07/2002 3:52:35 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: caddie
ping to #208 before responding to #207. I apologize for the editing mistake.
209 posted on 05/07/2002 3:53:22 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat
I am all for taking the war on terrorism to Iraq, and if they refuse to reform and renounce terrorism then Iran, Syria, Lybia, Cuba, and in the long-term perhaps even Saudia Arabia, North Korea, and China. But it can't be done all at once, or even this decade.

And I am nuts because I want to deport these muslims? Because I want to forbid immigration for more muslims? Because I want to search these mosques for evidence of treason and subversive activities?

You, on the other hand want to start some pro-wrestling Battle Royale, and attack everybody on earth? The Chinese, too? How about just deporting the Chinese grad students?

And I am not talking about gassing anyone in a concentration camp, dude, that's your projection onto me.

I just want to throw them and their spawn out of America, and shut the door on other arab subversives.

The other great Founding Father, Washington, would not approve of your plan. His motto about foreign policy: "Avoid foreign entanglements."

Washington's philosophy does not jibe with your philosophy, but it sure jibes with mine.

210 posted on 05/07/2002 4:17:22 PM PDT by caddie
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To: Diddle E. Squat
They should treat subversive arabs the way they treated McVeigh.

I am OK with that.

211 posted on 05/07/2002 4:18:45 PM PDT by caddie
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To: caddie
I should clarify: I am for taking the war to those countries if that is what Bush perceives is needed in the war on terror. Doesn't mean it is my first choice, but if that is what needs to be done, so be it. I support searches, the deportation of SUBVERSIVES, and tighter controls on immigration. But a blanket deportation is too far. I make a distinction between subversives and muslims who want to be here, support freedom, and abhore terrorism. You, by wanting to deport all muslims, apparently do not. And that is the primary issue I take with you.

There is a big difference between foreign entanglements and tossing out all muslims. Nice try, however.

212 posted on 05/07/2002 4:26:18 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: boop
This is all I could find, but I think it was around 8:00 this morning. I'm concerned about the second passenger.

By the Associated Press

[WIBC News] - The Indiana State Police are investigating why a man killed in a car crash was carrying three identifications and four checkbooks with different names.

Police initially thought there were two occupants in the car that crashed late Sunday, killing Q. Naim Abdullah, 24, of Plainfield.

State police troopers and volunteer firefighters searched the high weeds and mud at the scene of the crash on Interstate 65 in southern Bartholomew County, but no one else was found.

Abdullah was traveling northbound at a high rate of speed, swerved to miss a tractor trailer and lost control, striking the median and rolling the vehicle several times, police said. He was not wearing a seat belt.

The FBI assisted in determining the correct identification of the driver and notifying the family.

213 posted on 05/07/2002 4:30:50 PM PDT by Samwise
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To: Tuco-bad
Gee. Now why would he have all that ID???? Might it be that he was delivering new IDs to a few newly smuggled-in terrorists? How much money was in each checkbook? One was his, the other three were for the other Abdullahs.
215 posted on 05/07/2002 4:47:52 PM PDT by Goldi-Lox
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To: ClancyJ
Just what is a president supposed to do? What about consitutional rights? What about religious freedom? Is he supposed to barge in there and arrest all on no charges?

Deporting anyone here illegally might be a good start...

216 posted on 05/07/2002 4:57:11 PM PDT by null and void
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To: caddie
bump
217 posted on 05/07/2002 5:06:03 PM PDT by timestax
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To: Bonaparte
It will take a catastrophe that dwarfs 9/11 before we get serious about stopping terrorism.

Sadly, ultimately we will get serious...

218 posted on 05/07/2002 5:07:01 PM PDT by null and void
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Obviously you don't know many. I've had several muslim acquaintances express their upset at what happened 9/11. But don't let the facts get in the way of your simplistic conspiracy thoughts.

Really? Name ONE that's willing to do this publicly, without following with a BUT we deserved it.

ONE, that's all I ask ONE.

Name him, or her.

ONE...

219 posted on 05/07/2002 5:11:02 PM PDT by null and void
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To: Diddle E. Squat
But you damn every muslim the way the Nazi's damned every Jew.

We don't need to damn them. Their silence and complicity damns them...

220 posted on 05/07/2002 5:14:55 PM PDT by null and void
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