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Judge Tosses Out Perjury Indictment Against College Student Who Knew 2 Alleged 9/11 Hijackers
New York Daily News ^ | 4/30/02 | LARRY NEUMEISTER

Posted on 04/30/2002 12:39:14 PM PDT by areafiftyone

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To: miamimark
Still no word on whether this guy was a citizen or not. It ought to make a difference, but probably doesn't in the eyes of modern, citizen-of-the-world judges.
41 posted on 04/30/2002 2:29:18 PM PDT by Iconoclast2
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To: freeperfromnj
The 1st amendment guarantees child pornographers access to your child's home computer, and freedom to foreign terrorists on US soil. But the 2nd amendment allows you to shoot them!
42 posted on 04/30/2002 2:42:55 PM PDT by mikhailovich
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To: Almondjoy
There is no stretch if the person in question being held is not an American.
43 posted on 04/30/2002 2:44:54 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: Iconoclast2
He is a permanent U.S. resident. After 5 years they can apply for citizenship. Also, he bonded out on $500k back in December according to CNN.
44 posted on 04/30/2002 2:46:02 PM PDT by miamimark
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To: Iconoclast2
From the actual case at Link:

...Awadallah now makes several motions related to the perjury charges.

First, he moves to dismiss the Indictment on the grounds that
(1) he properly recanted his false testimony, thereby barring prosecution,
(2) the government violated the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations by not informing him of his rights as a foreign national,
(3) the government interfered with his right to counsel, and
(4) the government denied him due process while holding him in custody prior to his grand jury appearance as well as during his testimony.

45 posted on 04/30/2002 2:48:43 PM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: LurkedLongEnough
From same link mentioned in post #45:

"Awadallah is a lawful permanent resident of the United States and a citizen of Jordan."

Very interesting reading.

46 posted on 04/30/2002 2:56:01 PM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: VOA
"maybe she is right on the point of law"

For what it's worth, the government attorneys think she is wrong and appear to be planning an appeal.
47 posted on 04/30/2002 2:56:52 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: rwfromkansas
I don't agree with you. Any person afforded a visa here and is here legally should be afforded all rights under the constitution. Would you feel that way if the man was German? or Swiss? or Dutch? I think you would. Now the question is.. are we allowing people to come here legally we shouldn't? That's another question entirely. Just because someone is here on Visa doesn't mean that they get to be treated like spies.. we shouldn't be allowing spies or terrorists in.. legally or illegally. Those are two seperate issues and we cannot combine them as it is in my opinion unconstutional.
48 posted on 04/30/2002 3:08:12 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: The_Media_never_lie
Maybe the authors beleived "citizens" should be secure, but certainly not potential terrorists, terrorists or mass murderers.

I believe all residing here are innocent until proven guilty. If he's guilty of an immigration offense, and yet is a material witness that we need to keep around, perhaps there is a legal way to hold him.

If there is no credible evidence to indicate that he committed a crime, LEGALLY, it sounds like he cannot be held.

If a person is here legally, and is living within all rules required of an immigrant or visitor then we ought to leave them alone. OR cancel all visas immediately because of the danger and ship them all out.

50 posted on 04/30/2002 3:49:57 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: Dianna
If a person is here legally, and is living within all rules required of an immigrant or visitor then we ought to leave them alone

That's a fair enough statement but these are unusual circumstances. He had multiple meetings with one of the actual hijackers. That, combined with what they found when they initially arrested him makes him highly suspect IMHO. Below is a brief description of what they found. (excerpts from a November 2 Union Tribune article)-- His attorneys and the media were portraying him as a victim from day one:

Pictures of Osama bin Laden and videotapes about martyrs were found in the car and apartment of Grossmont College student Osama Awadallah, according to the first indictment issued by the New York grand jury investigating the terror attacks.

According to the indictment, a search of Awadallah's apartment yielded computer-generated photographs of bin Laden, and inside his car were videotapes titled "Martyrs of Bosnia," "Bosnia 1993" and "The Koran v. the Bible, Which is God's Word?"

The 21/2-hour video "Martyrs of Bosnia" is described on a Web site as a documentary of stories about "Mujahedeen killed in Bosnia." Mujahedeen refers to Muslim warriors engaged in a jihad, or a struggle against injustice.

"For somebody who allegedly has no involvement with these people it certainly is interesting," said a federal investigator, who asked to remain anonymous because law enforcement officials have been told not to comment on the case. "Those (tapes) are the same propaganda devices bin Laden uses to recruit people. How many of these do you have in your collection? Let's see, bin Laden, that comes right after Bambi?"

Awadallah's attorney, Randall B. Hamud, called the new information "meaningless window dressing" meant to spice up a flimsy prosecution.

"They're just trying to demonize the kid, that's all," Hamud said. "It's not against the law to have a picture of Osama (bin Laden) and not against the law to have a videotape.

51 posted on 04/30/2002 4:03:22 PM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: ecomcon
Let's consider the history.

After 9/11 tempers were very hot, and there were indeed lynchings, not covered by the press for good reason, but known to the American Muslim community. Folks from the FBI show up, probably aren't that courteous, and looking at you as a co-conspirator. You come from a country where the cops can and do torture people at will, and the cops wanting to talk to you, right after an unprecedented episode of mass murder, (well excepting the cleansing of American Indians) are looking at you with the "I want to nail a scumbag" look. You may or may not know that, theoretically at least, you have a right to a lawyer.

You're obviously close to pissing your pants, whether or not you are a co-conspirator in the atrocity or not. Do you a) tell them everything you've done, and know, and give the reason to be even angrier, or b) obfuscate and lie. Bear in mind, you've grown up with thugs of cops, and a culture that, out of necessity, condones lying to the cops, frequently the most corrupt people in the whole country.

Do you a) dissemble, or b) try and survive for as long as you can? I doubt one in a thousand people in that man's shoes would have been completely truthful from the get go. And I doubt that the judge would have let him off had he not sorted things out to her satisfaction.

The tribute to America is that we have innocent until proven guilty, and that this man will go free. If we dispense with innocent until proven guilty, we may just as well go fly airplanes in Arab skyscrapers, though it may behoove us to use remote controlled airplanes. Some of the enemies to the American way of life are those who don't understand this, and think that, ultimately, our power stems from our weapons, and not our laws. Our thugs do not beat their thugs. Rather, we try not to have thugs.

52 posted on 04/30/2002 4:42:05 PM PDT by a history buff
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To: a_witness
Is this Judge Judy's daughter?
53 posted on 04/30/2002 6:01:00 PM PDT by OldFriend
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To: Almondjoy
I guess I should have clarified.....those who are here legally should be afforded Constitutional protections, but those who have slipped in illegally have no protection.
54 posted on 04/30/2002 8:14:26 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: areafiftyone
I heard this on the news earlier today, and I must say it makes me even more angry at the fact that liberal judges are making law in this country.
Sept11th has taught us nothing. I thought it would, but this kind of thing proves me wrong.
We are surrounded by terrorists, and the judges worry about their so called rights. Sheesh!
Deport the judge along with this terrorist.
55 posted on 04/30/2002 8:19:32 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: a_witness
Yeah, I figured that out already - the yellow livered idiots!!
56 posted on 04/30/2002 9:54:05 PM PDT by CyberAnt
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To: Almondjoy
I agree with the fact that we shouldn't be allowed to hold people during an investigation.. can you imagine being a material witness in the OJ murder and having to sit in jail for 6 months for that trial to begin? That's a gross violation of the constituion.. but regardless even if he was overheld I don't understand the dismissal of the perjury. He clearly lied about all knowledge which impeded an investigation. I'm not buying this whole he was brutalized and so therefore he should be let go crap.

Nonetheless. We are in a new game now. We are dealing with an international cabal of fanatical murderers who plan to cause mayhem on our soil. It's high time for the Congress to enact new laws that apply to this specific circumstance. It's called "Situational Management". Now, I am not making an extra-constitutional argument regarding US citizens, whose rights under the US Constitution must be preserved. I am suggesting that non-citizens, who are after all VISITORS, should be treated according to the current necessities. For example, there is no reason that the US is obligated to allow people from, for lack of a better word, "suspect" nations to enter this country at all. And in fact, all foriegn nationals from these "suspect nations" should be deported immediately. And please spare me the liberal arguments (e.g. it's ultimately our loss, etc.). We are at war, and the saccharine discussion that pervades the mainstream is, IMO, misleading and dangerous. For one thing, a stern policy will provide an (otherwise absent) incentive for such "suspect nations" to get their act together.

57 posted on 04/30/2002 10:03:20 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: freeperfromnj
"They're just trying to demonize the kid, that's all," Hamud said. "It's not against the law to have a picture of Osama (bin Laden) and not against the law to have a videotape.

What is it EXACTLY that you think he might be guilty of? Can I be charged with a crime for being publically associated with a "fringe" militia group, having pictures of bombs and books or info about how to make bombs?

The guy may very well have been involved up to his eye brows, but we have to be able to prove it.

58 posted on 04/30/2002 11:52:49 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: dead
There's an exception for immigrants under the "Patriot Act" if they are suspected of terrorist activities.
60 posted on 05/01/2002 12:31:11 AM PDT by stimulate
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