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Israel bars UN fact-finding mission but other foreign groups step
Agence France-Presse (via ClariNet) ^

Posted on 04/30/2002 11:42:22 AM PDT by RCW2001

Israel bars UN fact-finding mission but other foreign groups step in

Copyright 2002 by Agence France-Presse (via ClariNet) / Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:20:10 PDT

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JENIN REFUGEE CAMP, West Bank, April 30 (AFP) - The persistent tug-of-war between Israel and the United Nations over the sending of the Jenin UN fact-finding mission has not blocked peace activists, foreign politicians, human rights groups and legal experts from undertaking their own inquiries.

For all, this begins with a visit to the devastated Jenin refugee camp itself, known as "ground zero" to rescue workers. They are often accompanied by a crowd of inquisitive camp residents, and they leave expressing shock.

Twelve northern European Christians from the United Civilians for Peace movement, recognizable by their jackets marked "civilian observer", have been gathering witness accounts from some 60 camp residents.

"We are trying to make-up for the failure of the UN mission. People are delighted by our presence, perhaps because they trust in our independent perspective", said Elija Grundberger, a German national who believes the "Israeli army abandonned its morality in Jenin".

Her Danish colleague, Eelco Simon Driessen, also hopes to contribute to the reconstruction of events.

"When we hear the same story of destruction, humiliation and hopelessness, it must be true", he explained, adding he felt very bitter about the Israeli veto on the UN fact finding-mission from shedding light on the tragedy of Jenin.

Kerstin Muller, head of the Green party in the German parliament, visiting Jenin as part of a German delegation, also does not understand the Israeli stance.

"They said they had nothing to hide, so why do they not accept this mission today?", she asked.

Christian Sterzing, a fellow Green party MP, thinks that Israel's rebuffing of the UN mission "will create a lot of suspicion".

"This terrible destruction cannot solely be the result of combats. There was something more. Something more deliberate", he added.

Israel is contesting the UN missions terms of reference, saying it cannot be allowed to quiz whomever it likes, especially soldiers who took part in the nine-day operation against militants in the camp.

Palestinian claims that hundreds of civilians died in the fighting, which saw a large area of the camp devastated, have been discounted by rights groups and other experts, but Israel still stands accused of severe human rights abuses.

According to the United Nations Relief and Works Association, which administers the camp, 52 bodies have been found and 46 people are still reported missing.

An Amnesty International expert accused Israel of demolishing houses after the battle as a form of collective punishment, and denying aid to the wounded.

Human Rights Watch found that Israeli soldiers had used Palestinians to enter the camp's houses before them, in case gunmen were inside, and in other cases used them as "human shields".

Israel says most of the dead were Palestinian gunmen, but this too is contested.

Peter Bouckaert from HRW believed there were 21 civilians among the dead already found. However, two Dutch legal experts from the Cordaid organization could not be so certain.


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1 posted on 04/30/2002 11:42:22 AM PDT by RCW2001
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To: RCW2001
Germans lecturing Israelis about Human Rights-What in the wide-wide-world of sports is going on! Who would have thunk it, the Kraut Peace A-holes siding with Sand Nazis.
2 posted on 04/30/2002 11:53:24 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: LarryLied; knighthawk
The propaganda war continues. We discussed whether Arafat would be better off without an investigation if Israel could be seen as "stopping" it - since a real investigation may not show much.

How these warlike "peace" activists fit in, we'll see. Probably in their third worldist, cold war formed mentality, they are more "reliable" for Arafat than his own people. The lefties like "eyewitness" accounts from their fellow travellers to reliably "prove" whatever prejudice they have. Their is evil in some of them, and also naive goofiness:

When we hear the same story of destruction, humiliation and hopelessness, it must be true

Depending on the story, if it's the "same" it is unlikely to be true, but manufactured. But unimportant. Only the alleged "voices" of the "oppressed" matter. Jenin should be worth years of leftie emoting and moral positioning.

KN - I think this is a Dutch-based group.

3 posted on 04/30/2002 11:57:14 AM PDT by Shermy
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To: RCW2001
People are delighted by our presence, perhaps because they trust in our independent perspective", said Elija Grundberger, a German national who believes the "Israeli army abandonned its morality in Jenin".

Elija's level of blinding self-deception could only come from living in a nation that has been practicing it since the 1940's.

4 posted on 04/30/2002 12:08:56 PM PDT by henbane
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To: henbane
"People are delighted by our presence, perhaps because they trust in our independent perspective", said Elija Grundberger, a German national who believes the "Israeli army abandonned its morality in Jenin"."

Hah....I guess he said "independent", but not "objective".....and just who are these "people" who are "delighted" by these useful idiots' presence?

5 posted on 04/30/2002 12:16:53 PM PDT by Frances_Marion
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To: RCW2001
Why Israel Dreads a Full Investigation

Sunday, April 28 2002 @ 05:36 AM GMT

The army — realizing that many journalists will not bother, or are unable, to go to Jenin — has even made an Orwellian attempt to alter the hard, physical facts on the ground

By Justin Huggler & Phil Reeves

In the first of this article published yesterday we described how even children were not immune from the Israeli onslaught. Faris Zeben, a 14-year-old boy, was shot dead by Israeli soldiers in cold blood. The soldiers in the tank gave no warning, said Faris’ eight-year-old brother Abdel Rahman. And after they shot Faris they did nothing.

Fifteen-year-old Mohammed Hawashin was shot dead as he tried to walk through the camp. Aliya Zubeidi told us how she was on her way to the hospital to see the body of her son Ziad, a fighter from the Al-Aqsa brigades, who had been killed in the fighting. Mohammed accompanied her. "I heard shooting," said Ms Zubeidi. "The boy was sitting in the door. I thought he was hiding from the bullets. Then he said, ‘Help.’ We couldn’t do anything for him. He had been shot in the face." In a deserted road by the periphery of the refugee camp, we found the flattened remains of a wheelchair. It had been utterly crushed, ironed flat as if in a cartoon. In the middle of the debris lay a broken white flag. Durar Hassan told us how his friend, Kemal Zughayer, was shot dead as he tried to wheel himself up the road. The Israeli tanks must have driven over the body, because when Hassan found it, one leg and both arms were missing, and the face, he said, had been ripped in two.

Zughayer, who was 58, had been shot and wounded in the first Palestinian intifada. He could not walk, and had no work. Hassan showed us the pitiful single room where his friend lived, the only furnishing a filthy mattress on the floor. Zughayer used to wheel himself to the petrol station where Hassan worked every day, because he was lonely. Hassan did his washing; it was he who put the white flag on Zughayer’s wheelchair.

"After 4 p.m. I pushed him up to the street as usual," said Hassan. "Then I heard the tanks coming, there were four or five. I heard shooting, and I thought they were just firing warning shots to tell him to move out of the middle of the road." It was not until the next morning that Hassan went to check what had happened. He found the flattened wheelchair in the road, and Zughayer’s mangled body some distance away, in the grass.

The Independent has more such accounts. There simply is not enough space to print them all. Bouckaert, the Human Rights Watch researcher, who is preparing a report, said the sheer number of these accounts was convincing.

"We’ve carried out extensive interviews in the camp, and the testimonies of dozens of witnesses are entirely consistent with each other about the extent and the types of abuses that were carried out in the camp," said Bouckaert, who has investigated human-rights abuses in a dozen war zones, including Rwanda, Kosovo and Chechnya. "Over and over again witnesses have been giving similar accounts of atrocities that were committed. Many of the people who were killed were young children or elderly people. Even in the cases of young men; in Palestinian society, relatives are quite forthcoming when young men are fighters. They take pride that their young men are so-called ‘martyrs’. When Palestinian families claim their killed relatives were civilians we give a high degree of credibility to that." The events at Jenin — which have passed almost unquestioned inside Israel — have created a crisis in Israel’s relations with the outside world. Questions are now being asked increasingly in Europe over whether Ariel Sharon is, ultimately, fighting a "war on terror", or whether he is trying to inflict a defeat that will end all chance of a Palestinian state. These suspicions grew still stronger this week as pictures emerged of the damage inflicted by the Israeli Army elsewhere in the West Bank during the operation: The soldiers deliberately trashed institutions of Palestinian statehood, such as the ministries of health and education. To counter the international backlash, the Israeli government has launched an enormous public-relations drive to justify the operation in Jenin. Their efforts have been greatly helped by the Palestinian leadership, who instantly, and without proof, declared that a massacre had occurred in which as many as 500 died. Palestinian human-rights groups made matters worse by churning out wild, and clearly untrue, stories.

No holds are barred in the Israeli PR counterattack. The army — realizing that many journalists will not bother, or are unable, to go to Jenin — has even made an Orwellian attempt to alter the hard, physical facts on the ground. It has announced that the published reports of the devastated area are exaggerated, declaring it to be a mere 100 m square — about one-twentieth of its true area.

One spokesman, Maj. Rafi Lederman, a brigade chief of staff, told a press conference on Saturday that the Israeli armed forces did not fire missiles from its Cobra helicopters — a claim dismissed by a Western military expert who has toured the wrecked camp with one word: "Bollocks." There were, said the major, "almost no innocent civilians" — also untrue.

The chief aim of the PR campaign has been to redirect the blame elsewhere. Israeli officials accuse UNWRA, the UN agency for Palestinian refugees, for allowing a "terrorist infrastructure" to evolve in a camp under its administration without raising the alarm. UNWRA officials wearily point out that it does not administer the camp; it provides services, mainly schools and clinics.

The Israeli Army has lashed out at the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) and Palestinian Red Crescent, whose ambulances were barred from entering the camp for six days, from April 9 to 15. It has accused them of refusing to allow the army to search their vehicles, and of smuggling out Palestinians posing as wounded. The ICRC has dismissed all these claims as nonsense, describing the ban — which violates the Geneva Convention — as "unacceptable".

The Israeli Army says it bulldozed buildings after the battle ended, partly because they were heavily booby trapped but also because there was a danger of them collapsing on to its soldiers or Palestinian civilians. But after the army bulldozers withdrew, The Independent found many families, including children, living in badly damaged homes that were in severe danger of collapse.

The thrust of Israel’s PR drive is to argue that the Palestinians blew up the neighborhood, compelling the army to knock it down. It is true that there were a significant number of Palestinian booby traps around the camp, but how many is far from clear. Booby traps are a device typically used by a retreating force against an advancing one. Here, the Palestinian fighters had nowhere to go.

What is beyond dispute is that the misery of Jenin is not over. There are Palestinians still searching for missing people, although it is not clear whether they are in Israeli detention, buried deep under the rubble, or in graves elsewhere.

Suspicions abound among the Palestinians that bodies have been removed by the Israeli Army. They cite the Israeli Army’s differing statements about the death toll during the Jenin operation — first it said it thought that there were around 100 Palestinian dead; then it said hundreds of dead and wounded; and, finally, only dozens. More disturbingly, Israeli military sources originally said there was a plan to move bodies out of the camp and bury them in a "special cemetery". They now say that the plan was shelved after human-rights activists challenged it successfully at the Israeli Supreme Court.

Each day, as we interviewed the survivors, there were several explosions as people trod on unexploded bombs and rockets that littered the ruined camp. One hour after Fadl Musharqa, 42, had spoken with us about the death of his brother, he was rushed to the hospital, his foot shattered after he stepped on an explosive.

A man came up to us in the hospital holding out something in the palm of his hand. They were little, brown, fleshy stumps: The freshly severed toes of his 10-year-old son, who had stepped on some explosives. The boy lost both legs and an arm. The explosives that were left behind were both the Palestinians’ crude pipe bombs and the Israelis’ state-of-the-art explosives — the bombs and mines with which they blew open doors, the helicopter rockets they fired into civilian homes.

These are the facts that the Israeli government does not want the world to know. To them should be added the preliminary conclusion of Amnesty International, which has found evidence of severe abuses of human rights — including extra-judicial executions — and has called for a war crimes inquiry. At the time of writing, Israel has withdrawn its cooperation from a fact-finding mission dispatched by the UN Security Council to find out what happened in Jenin. This is, given what we now know about the crimes committed there, hardly surprising.

(The Independent) Arab News

6 posted on 04/30/2002 12:20:40 PM PDT by ThreeOfSeven
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To: ThreeOfSeven, RCW2001
The US has pretty much sided with Israel on this one. It's clear the UN was trying to conduct a witch hunt. How about a UN 'fact-finding' mission on the Passover Massacre?
8 posted on 04/30/2002 12:23:40 PM PDT by veronica
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To: ohioman
Germans lecturing Israelis about Human Rights

Something in the German genetic make-up which makes them untermenschen unable to be moral agents?

At least Germany isn't sheltering any people wanted for crimes against humanity and genocide. Israel is.

9 posted on 04/30/2002 12:40:53 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Shermy
The lefties like "eyewitness" accounts from their fellow travellers to reliably "prove" whatever prejudice they have.

Anecdotes are their favorite meal.

10 posted on 04/30/2002 12:53:42 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
Guys, if there's nothing to find, it doesn't make the slightest difference who leads the U.N team in Jenin.

The bottom line is that it does not look good for Israel to be rejecting a U.N team for any reason.

And if you want to argue that theU.N's biased because it has endorsed resolutions condemning Israel, does that mean that all of it's resolutions vis a vis Iraq should also be ignored?

11 posted on 04/30/2002 2:07:32 PM PDT by altayann
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To: Shermy
Yes, it is. Their .com website directly leads to the Dutch version: Here

It also gots a section "Reports in English.

Also I found this:Dutch organisations send civilian observers to Palestine

Which tells the whole story about them.

12 posted on 04/30/2002 2:45:24 PM PDT by knighthawk
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To: RCW2001
"An Amnesty International expert accused Israel of demolishing houses after the battle as a form of collective punishment, and denying aid to the wounded."

What on earth is an "Amnesty International expert"?

13 posted on 04/30/2002 6:44:05 PM PDT by Truthfairy
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To: altayann
"Guys, if there's nothing to find, it doesn't make the slightest difference who leads the U.N team in Jenin."

Oh, yes it does. If they are collecting forensic evidence, fine. If they are going to take "eyewitness accounts" without physical coroboration, then this will be an exercise in propaganda, and at least two of the three on the committee have a record of being very quick to believe anti-Israel and anti-Jewish rants.

14 posted on 04/30/2002 6:57:17 PM PDT by cookcounty
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To: ohioman
If you recall it was just a few days ago Peres said Israel had nothing to hide.
15 posted on 04/30/2002 7:36:47 PM PDT by doc
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To: RCW2001
For a dose of truth:
WSJ: The Massacre That Wasn't - Part I
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/668601/posts
Non-evidence and Pali fabrication of evidence
Steyn: The UN is running out of blind eyes to turn
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/669411/posts
Interesting link on UN backpedaling
WSJ: The Massacre That Wasn't - Part II
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/669632/posts
Palestinians drop their hyped-up "massacre" charges
Atrocities of the British Press
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/669206/posts
Huge amounts of ink devoted to unverified Pali tales
WSJ: The Massacre That Wasn't - Part III
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/672189/posts
Hey, Jimmy Carter has an opinion too!!
Reporters Back Down From Jenin "Massacre" Reports
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/668509/posts
World press forced to face the truth: No Massacre
WSJ: The Massacre That Wasn't - Part IV
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/672160/posts
Yet more non-evidence and Pali fabrication of evidence
NY POST: THE MASSACRE THAT WASN'T
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/667529/posts
Peres: There wasn't a house that wasn't booby-trapped
WSJ: The Massacre That Wasn't - Part V
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/673145/posts
The Pali's contradict themselves and blame it on Israel
Steyn: It's time to snap out of Arab fantasy land
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/669063/posts
Some great Oriana Fallaci quotes/links as well
An interesting juxtaposition of tales:
Message From An Israeli On The Front Lines
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/673234/posts
"Entire families exploded themselves! It was horrific."
Palestinian Fighter admits: No Massacre in Jenin
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/671903/posts
2,000 bombs and booby-traps placed in the camp
Pediatrician: terrorists used children in Jenin camp
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/670962/posts
Doctor: IDF did everything possible to avoid civilian harm
Palestinians Booby-Trap Wheelchair in Jenin
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/670810/posts
NOTE: The wheelchair was occupied!!
Jenin War Diary of a Hasidic Soldier
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/672951/posts
Israeli citizen-soldier describes what went on in Jenin
Palestinian fighter's version of the Jenin battle
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/672896/posts
Pali Plan: Trap Israeli soldiers, then blow them up
And so, in conclusion:
Massacre Claims Unsupported by Palestinian Fighters
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/675129/posts
Pali eyewitnesses all support the Israeli version
The Phantom Massacre
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/672761/posts
War Crimes in Jenin were committed by the Palis
The Jenin Probe Ends
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/675737/posts
UN unhappy about Israel's possible exhoneration



16 posted on 04/30/2002 11:55:54 PM PDT by My Identity
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