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To: american colleen;history_matters
Thanks for the ping.It has been clear for some time that we have had two churches co-existing within the structure of the Roman Catholic Church.For purposes of clarity,I call one the Catholic Church and the other the catholic church. Years ago Thomas Sowell wrote a wonderful book called a "Conflict in Visions". He said it was pretty easy after observing people and the causes they espoused to determine what their vision of man was.An organization with a conflict in vision could not long endure. This is what we have in the Church right now,a major conflict in visions.

The Catholic Church was established by Christ and is in union with the Pope and Magisterium.It is often known as the Body of Christ and is composed of the People of God in the world.The adherents consider themselves orthodox,conservative and/or traditional,they hold to the 2000 year old teachings of the Church,they view Truth as absolute,subject to discernment and development as man has more tools available to probe the universe.They see God as Triune,unchanging,personal,transcendent;a creator endowed with omnipotent,omnipresent and omniscient qualities that made us to know,love and serve Him and to be with Him forever in heaven.

The catholic church establishes christ in accordance with the desires of the most powerful of the magisterium of the people.The adherents consider themselves to be "progressive",marxist,and/or democratic,they hold to ever changing "truths"established by the whim of the people.They see god made in man's image and subject to change based on the feelings of the people.The god they have designed,at this time,is very loving and merciful and good and wants man to enjoy himself in this world because it's the only thing man can be sure of.However,if there is more it will be good and all will go there.

Succinctly,we have the Catholic Church and God's People on earth or the catholic church and the "godpeoples" on earth.I think thats what the choice is going to boil down to as it becomes increasingly clear that we have A CONFLICT OF VISIONS.

I do think that if Catholics start praying and thinking and proclaiming and acting in accordance with Catholic teaching,the ring of Truth will hit a lot of the people sleeping in the pews between the eyes and the choice they will make will surprise the "enemy".

34 posted on 04/30/2002 5:56:09 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: chatham
Check this out.
35 posted on 08/10/2002 6:25:30 AM PDT by american colleen
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