Thong-Wearing Teens Kicked Out Of Dance

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[southern rock]

Can any of my libertarian cronies reading this thread show me where I'm in error? :-)

Well, I'm not a libertarian in as much as I have no idea what an "official" libertarian position is on any given issue. I just call things as I see 'em without checking with anyone else first. But here it goes:

I know this puts a damper on "freedom" of expression for kids, but in this case, what rights are really being violated by having to wear a uniform to school?

IMO, it has nothing to do with freedom of expression. It is a simple matter of finding where the state would get it's authority to tell a parent how to dress their minor children. It doesn't exist.

[Alas]

your holier than though view, works well for Islam and their burkas

I was waiting for that, have a good day.

[xsmommy]

It's like a contract that says, "if you want to go to school here, you need to wear these clothes - end of discussion".

i totally agree! i knew there was some reason that i liked ya! now isn't this nice that even after all our disagreeing, we are all pals with points of agreement. All threads should be this way!

[xsmommy]

well in the case of a private school that authority comes from the parents that send their child there for the express purpose of having the school reinforce their morals and standards. the PARENTS who choose the school and PAY the tuition embue the school with that authority. or else, they can choose to send them elsewhere.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

Dang, tk. Read the rest of my reply.

these thongs were sported under very short dresses. On the dance floor there is no way they would be staying out of sight or underneath their clothing. That's why the girls wearing long skirts or slacks were not questioned or inspected.

Why would these teenage girls wear the darn things if they didn't have a reasonable expectation that they'd have the opportunity to show them off?

[southern rock]

well in the case of a private school that authority comes from the parents that send their child there for the express purpose of having the school reinforce their morals and standards. the PARENTS who choose the school and PAY the tuition embue the school with that authority. or else, they can choose to send them elsewhere.

If we were talking about private schools, I agree with you 100%. I don't believe we were , however.

[wardaddy]

WELL DONE L!!!!!...LOL

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

However, this whole issue could have been avoided by creating reasonable guidelines for skirts. Thongs should be a non-issue.

My fiancee' and all her friends love the comfort of a thong, some women don't. It doesn't make every person wearing a thong trying to attract men.

Two reasonable points. I'll compromise and say 'uncle'.

[general_re]

Can any of my libertarian cronies reading this thread show me where I'm in error?

Well, I'm not much of a libertarian, but I can. Your error is this part right here:

I'd put EVERYONE in slacks and polo shits, even the women...

Care to explain what a polo sh*t is, smart guy? ;)

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

Fortunately for me, my girlfriend definitely has the ass for it.

I'm jealous.

[wardaddy]

My wife and oldest daughter both prefer them (thongs). I have no say in the matter...not much anyhow.

I think this was a bit much....

Granny panties would not have been much of a deterrence to me in my day I must confess.....with a willing partner that is. BTW, my wife looks great in them too. My daughters are now too old to prance around thank God. I don't think HS girls wearing thongs means they are sluts....now pants hanging off their arse ....that's another issue...excessive piercing too...in my book.

[cmsgop]

ALL STUDENTS WILL WEAR UNDERWEAR ON THE OUTSIDE SO WE CAN CHECK............

[CyberCowboy777]

This is why I will never send my kids to public school. How can I possibly compete with idiot parents (who the hell lets their daughter out like that?), bratty uncontrollable kids (Sex and drug numbed lemmings who's only feeling left is one of entitlement) and twisted teachers (chose your left leaning cause to push on a kid)?

[realpatriot71]

It is a simple matter of finding where the state would get it's authority to tell a parent how to dress their minor children. It doesn't exist.

I do see your argument. I agree the state cannot tell a parent how to dress their children, but in a state owned and run institution, like the school, I find no real problem with the state entering into a contract with the student. You get your education here, but you abide by these rules. If you do not like these rules, go to school elsewhere or homeschool. No?

[CyberCowboy777]

When you send your kids to a government institution you relinquish full rights.

Who would ever want the government to teach their kids! I cannot understand it, what possible good is there over sending them to private school or home schooling?

[realpatriot71]

i totally agree! i knew there was some reason that i liked ya! now isn't this nice that even after all our disagreeing, we are all pals with points of agreement. All threads should be this way!

My biggest disagreement here was the "thongs = slut" angle of many of those posting. Those are fighting words to me, because my fiancee' exclusively wears thongs, has for years, and she's not a slut. Also, I had a problem with the assertion that the school has any control over what kinds of garments girls wear UNDER their school approved outer clothing. It also bothered me that the school made an a priori assumption that every girl in a short skirt, with a thong was trying to show said thong off.

Like I said clear rules about skirts would have solved the entire issue.

[southern rock]

I agree the state cannot tell a parent how to dress their children, but in a state owned and run institution, like the school, I find no real problem with the state entering into a contract with the student. You get your education here, but you abide by these rules. If you do not like these rules, go to school elsewhere or homeschool. No?

And who is the state to force you to send your kid to school elsewhere or homeschool?

Problem is, public education is mandatory. If you choose not to send your kids, you get arrested. Your only other choice is to shell out money for private school or to take on the burden or expense of homeschooling.

I don't see where the state gets is authority to enforce education. Education of children should be a private, parental matter that the state is neither involved in, nor has any knowledge of.

[realpatriot71]

Two reasonable points. I'll compromise and say 'uncle'.

I'm glad we could come to an agreement somewhere. :-)

[realpatriot71]

Care to explain what a polo sh*t is, smart guy? ;)

We have a wonderful "preview" screen here at FR - it's a wonder I don't use it :-)

[realpatriot71]

I don't see where the state gets is authority to enforce education. Education of children should be a private, parental matter that the state is neither involved in, nor has any knowledge of.

Like I said I do see your point, but in the end I do see dress codes as being in the best interests of the students when as you pointed out they don't really have much of a choice in the first place.