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An alleged victim is called negligent
The Boston Globe ^ | April 29, 2002 | Walter Robinson

Posted on 04/29/2002 5:00:20 AM PDT by american colleen

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:07:44 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The cardinal's claim, filed in court by his attorneys, is boilerplate legal defense language. But a lawyer who is not involved in the case and has handled other cases involving allegations of clergy sex abuse said last night that the decision to use such a claim in so sensitive a case showed poor judgment.


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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cardinallaw; catholicchurch; catholiclist
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To: history_matters
You are not naive. Your test is best.
81 posted on 04/29/2002 11:18:20 AM PDT by BlackElk
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To: sockmonkey
No I didn't read it, but I did read his dreadful recent pastoral on the Eucharist or perhaps I should say the non-Eucharist.

Your parish must be a haven in the storm. Those built on the Rock will endure. The heterodox will fall to dust.

God bless!

82 posted on 04/29/2002 11:30:10 AM PDT by history_matters
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To: american colleen
This is so incredible I am absolutely speechless.
83 posted on 04/29/2002 11:38:14 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: american colleen
Unbelievable! This Wilson Rogers is the lowest of the low, evil beyond the usual despicability of defense lawyers. But be aware that he would not use this reprehensible "defense' of blaming the victim without the full approval of the vile Bernard Law. No wonder Law is accompanied by two large bodyguards wherever he goes, and slinks about, in and out of his residence. His type of behavior could incite vigilante reactions.
84 posted on 04/29/2002 11:41:03 AM PDT by Palladin
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To: goldenstategirl
You mean the article I posted or the comment I made in #52?
85 posted on 04/29/2002 11:45:22 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: maryz
I've worked for years as a legal secretary and paralegal in litigation. The only clients who ever wanted to see or have input into court filings were attorneys themselves. (Obviously, for affidavits, answers to interrogatories, client input is essential; but this was apparently an answer to a complaint.) Some attorneys send copies to the client of anything filed; some don't.

If Law were against what his attorney said, wouldn't he have fired the attorney?

86 posted on 04/29/2002 11:46:44 AM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: Palladin
. No wonder Law is accompanied by two large bodyguards wherever he goes, and slinks about, in and out of his residence. His type of behavior could incite vigilante reactions.

Isn't it incredible that a Cardinal needs bodyguards in the United States of America? This is the depths to which Cardinal Law has fallen. He still doesn't seem to get it. I've stated before that I do not believe he is physically safe here, and that is part of the reason that he will be gone (as in "promoted") before long. (and don't let the door hit you on the @$$).

87 posted on 04/29/2002 11:48:38 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: NYCVirago
If Law were against what his attorney said, wouldn't he have fired the attorney?

Excellent point. I'm sure he'll keep the attorney.

88 posted on 04/29/2002 11:49:36 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: Endeavor
A wonderful plan, which invokes strict justice, however it is one we will see implemented when Hell freezes over and all the little devils go iceskating!
89 posted on 04/29/2002 11:51:08 AM PDT by Palladin
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To: american colleen
n his first legal response to charges that the Rev. Paul R. Shanley began molesting a Newton boy when he was 6 years old, Cardinal Bernard F. Law has asserted that ''negligence'' by the boy and his parents contributed to the alleged abuse.

OH geez ... did Law really say that ..

If so .. He has to go

90 posted on 04/29/2002 11:51:28 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: american colleen
I mean the article and Cardinal Law. It's as if he is on a mission to destroy the Catholic Church. No one could be this ignorant, stupid or callous.
91 posted on 04/29/2002 11:53:31 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: goldenstategirl
Oh, phew!

It's as if he is on a mission to destroy the Catholic Church. No one could be this ignorant, stupid or callous.

Well, you've outlined the only two possibilities that I can see. Cardinal Law is not stupid or ignorant (definitely callous, as witnessed by his actions/lack thereof regarding the abuser priests) but he is a highly educated man.

92 posted on 04/29/2002 11:56:31 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: history_matters
Your parish must be a haven in the storm.

Yes, it is. Here's a recent article about it from the San Antonio Express News.

93 posted on 04/29/2002 11:59:32 AM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: american colleen
P.S. I hope he gets arrested for complicity before he leaves for the Vatican. Once he's gone he'll never set foot on American soil again.
94 posted on 04/29/2002 12:00:16 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: BlackElk
Thank you for your very well reasoned post. I found it very helpful and one of the blessings of FR is that we can commiserate but also help to educate each other -- sometimes allaying fears, other times sounding the alarm.

What follows are some of your points that I think have great merit and ought to be repeated:

Start with a total purge of the lavenders. That they are protesting outside churches is reason enough but virtually all events complained of result from the love that formerly dared not speak its name and now will not shut up. One of the really great things about Catholicism (the real thing not the AmChurch kind) is that due process can be dispensed with when necessary. Thus, hang 'em high!

Second, shut down every seminary in America and lay off their entire staffs. Create four regional seminaries overseen by an archbishop with all necessary authority, no other responsibilities and total power to conduct ongoing purges.
Seminaries are no place for ANY sort of female authority and no place for the atheistic presumptions of psychology and psychiatry. Put men's men of orthodox persuasion and performance in charge of everything from administration to janitorial service. Anyone who must then be discharged for misbehavior should be held fully and publicly accountable with oceans of publicity.

Speaking of which, it would also be a good time to abolish the National Bishops' organizations here and elsewhere since they are forever behaving as though morality were determined by a democratic vote of bishops posing for secular cameras. Let each bishop take responsibility for his own diocese and face punishment, including firing, for dereliction of duty.


95 posted on 04/29/2002 12:00:52 PM PDT by history_matters
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To: sockmonkey; OxfordMovement
MAGNIFICENT! Oh you are blessed indeed. It makes me want to go to San Antonio!!!

Oxford, here's a parish for you! Our Lady of the Atonement. (I know San Antonio is far from you, but seeing this I immediately thought of you and your family. God bless!)

96 posted on 04/29/2002 12:05:59 PM PDT by history_matters
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To: history_matters
30 pieces of nickel sounds better.
97 posted on 04/29/2002 3:22:12 PM PDT by a history buff
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To: CatoRenasci
I am so disgusted by what has been going on that I think it's time to reintroduce public floggings as additional punishment. And I've railed against this problem on this forum, years ago, long before it was popular to do so.

That said, the abused children usually have had 3 strikes against them. The first is parents who don't take an active role in their lives, as molestors do not go after kids of whom they know that the parents will find out. The second is that their prey often is socially isolated, as the popular kids will get the other kids to stand up for them. The third strike, the actual molestation, is the sickest of them all, but rarely happens without the other two. And kids with healthy relationships bounce back a lot, lot quicker from such abuse than those without.

To be clear, nothing justifies molestation. In some cases the abuse is such that it can be compared with the ritual sacrifice of children by the Aztecs. However for the parents to come, at the end of the day, when it's time to hand out blame to management, and say it's all and completely the church's fault, there's nothing they could have done to have changed any of this, does not, in the bulk of cases, ring true to me. That parents who let their kids sleep over at the rectory for months later on realize that there was other stuff in their sons' life that they were unaware of does't strike me as much of a surprise, but rather as disingenious.

Molestation happens when a lot of circumstances are not the way they should be. And when the time comes to award damages for destroyed lives, I do feel it's fair to ask who all was asleep at the wheel. No child is an island, after all.

On this forum, I've stopped just short of alleging fraudulent canonizations, and asked pointed questions about the Catholic Church's involvement in recent Croatian war crimes, so I am hardly a blind supporter of my church. But from the snippets here, especially if they had to claim the son should have spoken up if they were to question the kid's parents inertia, which may have lasted for years, I think a plausible case can be made that the poor kid's crown of thorns was woven by many.

The lawyers on this board will know more about the technicalities of the matter.

98 posted on 04/29/2002 3:33:41 PM PDT by a history buff
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To: sockmonkey
How on earth does your parish deal with Archbishop Flores?
99 posted on 04/29/2002 3:35:28 PM PDT by history_matters
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To: a history buff
Granting that all you say is true, it is nonetheless disingenuous at best and dishonest and dispicable indeed, for the Church to encourange parents to trust it's priests and then to turn around and say "shame on you, it's your fault you didn't figure out Father Shanely was shagging Sidney". I just don't buy it. Floggings are too good for these molesting priests and those who have hidden them. Vlad the Impaler could be helpful in this matter: impale Shanley, Geohagen and Law in Boston Commons.
100 posted on 04/29/2002 4:07:30 PM PDT by CatoRenasci
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