Catholic Church said to be struggling to keep homosexuals out

Yahoo News ^ | April 23, 2002

[history_matters]

The head of the US episcopal conference Wilton Daniel Gregory said there was an ongoing struggle within the Catholic Church to ensure that the priesthood is not "dominated by homosexual men".

Gregory and Chicago Archbishop, Cardinal Francis George, told reporters that the issue of homosexual priests had been discussed in a solemn morning meeting between Pope John Paul II and US cardinals on the issue of paedophile priests.

"It is an ongoing struggle. It is most importantly a struggle to make sure that the Catholic priesthood is not dominated by homosexual men," Gregory told a news conference after the first session of talks which are to last until Wednesday.

"Not only that it is not dominated by homosexual men, but that the candidates we receive are healthy in every possible way, psychologically, emotionally, spiritually, intellectually."

"That is the ongoing concern of seminaries."

[Domestic Church]

I would imagine you don't even have to use naughty pix on the fruit machine to gauge a pupil response...just normally clothed gender specific ones would do!

[gohabsgo]

This is THE ISSUE. Always has been. The media blatantly will deny it (and I've had many dialogues with the marxian rag SF Chronicle about this), they are covering for the HOMOSEXUAL/GAY agenda, and cannot possibly risk having homosexuality called homosexuality. There is no having an objective discussion, because the facts and definitions are unnacceptable to the left. Once you approach the argument using this methodology, their superficial argument falls apart, and they resort to calling you a homophobe and gay basher. Try it some time, you'll get the same result.

[jlogajan]

No, I mean the Torah.

Umm, crazy old Leviticus is in the Old Testament, ya know?

[history_matters]

Still twisting and turning and trying to avoid responsibility. No thanks on the offer of hush money, and I don't drink with the devil's own.

[Belial]

Darn it! How did you resist?! Dag nab doo-gooders!!

[LibWhacker]

"Not only that it is not dominated by homosexual men, but that the candidates we receive are healthy in every possible way, psychologically, emotionally, spiritually, intellectually."

Well, God bless the Pope and the Catholic Church, and I hope they don't mind me saying so, but homosexuals ARE SICK in every possible way, psychologically, emotionally, spiritually, intellectually.

[DaveTesla]

Here is one from the New Testament:

Romans 1.26
22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools; 23 and they exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images
resembling a mortal human being or birds or four-footed animals or reptiles.
26 For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural,
27 and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one
another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.
28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind and to things that should
not be done. 29 They were filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, covetousness, malice. Full of envy,
murder, strife, deceit, craftiness, they are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters,£ insolent, haughty, boastful,
inventors of evil, rebellious toward parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 They know God’s decree,
that those who practice such things deserve to die—yet they not only do them but even applaud others who practice them.

[stands2reason]

Does this mean the truth is out in the mainstream news, that the Catholic Church seminaries have been infiltrated by homosexuals? Or is the story still, Priests, being forced to deal with unnatural celibacy and sexual morality, finally lost it and began attacking young children, mainly boys because the church teach women are inferior, so having sex with them would be like having sex with animals?

[onedoug]

"Kidnapped by a band of roving gypsies at birth, but saved by a pack of Jeffersonian wolves who speak french un petit peu."

In Martinique, perchance?

Though seriously, I'll ask you as you seem one of the more pious here.

Wouldn't it seem a good idea to hold off exposure to seminary until at least 18? Perhaps even 21?

This might tend to reinforce a more mature commitment to the sacrifice of celibacy and the challenge and the courage to stand for Christ in priestly vocation.

I just can't help but think that "cloistering" adolescent males toward this objective almost invites homosexual indoctrination, which in turn, perpetuates itself in a similarly indoctrinated adult priesthood, and thus on the Church itself, to indeed, what now seems like a full scale frontal assault.

Thanks for whatever consideration you may give this.

Best.

[mrustow]

"It is an ongoing struggle. It is most importantly a struggle to make sure that the Catholic priesthood is not dominated by homosexual men," Gregory told a news conference after the first session of talks which are to last until Wednesday.

I hate to break it to you, Father, but the Church is dominated by homosexual men.

[stands2reason]

It's a shame you don't know more about the topic you're trying to bash. Unless, you can explain what a New Covenant means?

[skeeter]

That's what I thought. So the Catholic church isn't struggling to keep homosexuals out, it's struggling just to keep practicinghomosexuals out, right?

I'm not a catholic, so am probably not the best guy to ask. But I would hope that a non-practicing & repentant homosexuals would still be as welcome as anyone in the priesthood.

[stands2reason]

Umm, crazy old Leviticus is in the Old Testament, ya know?

What's your problem, that you feel the need to ridicule someone's religion?

[DaveTesla]

Interesting Screen Name
One Of Satan's Many Names:
Belial (vileness, ruthlessness).
“And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part
hath he that believeth with an infidel?” (2 Cor. 6:15).

[Aquinasfan]

Does this mean the truth is out in the mainstream news, that the Catholic Church seminaries have been infiltrated by homosexuals? Or is the story still, Priests, being forced to deal with unnatural celibacy and sexual morality, finally lost it and began attacking young children, mainly boys because the church teach women are inferior, so having sex with them would be like having sex with animals?

Yes. I don't expect to see any quotes from the cardinals or even the pope addressing the problem of homosexuality making it into the headlines.

[Mike Fieschko]

Does this mean the truth is out in the mainstream news, that the Catholic Church seminaries have been infiltrated by homosexuals? Or is the story still, Priests, being forced to deal with unnatural celibacy and sexual morality,

I snipped some of your post, since it isn't relevant to what I'm typing.

You've posted elsewhere that you're not a Christian. See post 58 here.

While narrowly that might mean that you don't believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ, it also might mean that you don't believe that the New Testament is the revealed word of God.

If either of those are true (regarding Jesus' divinity or the revelation of the New Testament), to hold an honest discussion with you on the topic of homosexuals in the Catholic priesthood is going to be difficult.

It will be difficult, since, for you to be honest with your convictions, the discussion is going to have to go a lot deeper than what bishops say, the Pope says, the teaching of the Catholic Church, etc.

Because of where we'd have to start, is it really productive to hold a discussion with you about homosexuals in the Catholic priesthood?

[mrustow]

No my question was, would you rather have heterosexual men as priests? Why? I thought men with no sexual feelings at all would be the most appropriate. If that isn't possible, what difference should it make if they are homos are heteros, as long as they don't follow what their feelings tell them?

Men with no sexual feelings are eunuchs. Such men would be emotionally stunted, and as such, worthless as shepherds who must emotionally engage their flock.

In an earlier age, when homosexuals were tolerated only to the degree they had to keep their sexuality to themsleves, the sexual difference was irrelevant. Today, however, homosexual priests refuse to maintain any restraint. That is why homosexuality has turned into pedophilia. The homosexual priests have, meanwhile, exploited the discretion of the traditional church, in order to protect themselves. The homosexuals forced the issue, and put the Church in its entirety, at risk. And now, the Church must turn on those who turned on the Church.