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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Hobbes wanted an end to sectarian fighting within Christendom. In his Leviathan might does make right, but under the monarch whom the subjects owe for their protection. Hobbes also believed in a hegemony (a Christian one). Also, don't forget the time in which he lived.

I think a reasonable argument could be made that Hobbes' view of God was exactly that, a necessary product of the time in which he lived. Though he asserted religion, it is largely the case that Hobbes' own concept of God was that of only an empty noise.

74 posted on 05/03/2002 11:12:53 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: GOPcapitalist
I think a reasonable argument could be made that Hobbes' view of God was exactly that, a necessary product of the time in which he lived. Though he asserted religion, it is largely the case that Hobbes' own concept of God was that of only an empty noise.

You may be partially right. But, considering these three passages (following) from Leviathan, it would seem that Hobbes was definately Protestant in his views and did see a spiritual manifestation in the physical world, Hobbes was a materialist. I think he saw the spiritual essence of life as having a physical reality to it, that God was actually a person living on the earth (in the form of Christ) and the spirit of God was also physically manifested in the faithful...

From Thomas Hobbes' Leviathan:

Part III. Of a Christian Commonwealth. Chap. xxxviii. Of Eternal Life, Hell, Salvation, and Redemption.

[12] And first, for the tormentors, we have their nature and properties exactly and properly delivered by the names of the Enemy (or Satan), the Accuser (or Diabolus), the Destroyer (or Abaddon). Which significant names (Satan, Devil, Abaddon) set not forth to us any individual person, as proper names do, but only an office or quality, and are therefore appellatives, which ought not to have been left untranslated (as they are in the Latin and modern Bibles), because thereby they seem to be the proper names of demons, and men are the more easily seduced to believe the doctrine of devils, which at that time was the religion of the Gentiles, and contrary to that of Moses, and of Christ.

[13] And because by the Enemy, the Accuser, and Destroyer, is meant the enemy of them that shall be in the kingdom of God, therefore if the kingdom of God after the resurrection be upon the earth (as in the former Chapter I have shewn by Scripture it seems to be), the Enemy and his kingdom must be on earth also. For so also was it in the time before the Jews had deposed God. For God's kingdom was in Palestine, and the nations round about were the kingdoms of the Enemy; and consequently, by Satan is meant any earthly enemy of the Church.

Part IV. Of the Kingdom of Darkness. Chap. xlvii. Of the Benefit that proceedeth from such Darkness.

[21] For from the time that the Bishop of Rome had gotten to be acknowledged for bishop universal, by pretense of successsion to St. Peter, their whole hiearchy (or kingdom of darkness) may be compared to the kingdom of fairies (that is, to the old wives' fables in England, concerning ghosts and spirits and the feats they play in the night). And if a man consider the original of this great ecclesiastical dominion, he will easily percieve that the Papacy is no other than the ghost of the deceased Roman empire, sitting crowned upon the grave thereof. For so did the Papacy start up on a sudden out of the ruins of that heathen empire.

[23] The fairies, in what nation soever they converse, have but one universal king, which some poets of ours call King Oberon; but the Scripture calls Beelzebub, prince of demons. The ecclesiastics likewise, in whose dominions soever they be found, acknowledge but one universal king, the Pope.

Part IV. Of the Kingdom of Darkness

Chap. xlv. Of Demonology and other Relics of the Religion of the Gentiles

[16] And whereas a man can fancy shapes he never saw, making up a figure out of the parts of divers creatures, as the poets make their centaurs, chimeras and other monsters never seen, so can he also give matter to those shapes, and make them in wood, clay or metal. And these are also called images, not for the resemblance of any corporeal thing, but for the resemblance of some phantastical inhabitants of the brain of the maker. But in these idols, as they are originally in the brain, and as they are painted, carved moulded or molten in matter, there is a similitude of one to the other, for which the material body made by art may be said to be the image of the fantastical idol made by nature.


75 posted on 05/04/2002 5:49:24 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood
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