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Qura'n Needs To Be Re-Interpreted To Reflect The True Spirit Of Islam
Pakistan Today ^ | Friday, April 12, 2002 | Tashbih Sayyed

Posted on 04/19/2002 10:52:04 AM PDT by besieged

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Up for discussions! Why are the Muslim voices of sanity so few? There is another cleric in Italy that supports Italy... but that is about it?

Also, where are the Jewish speakers? "If I am not for my self, who is?", no? Where is Spielberg? Where is Geffen? Why do the Jews need to be holier than the Pope?

Why does the Harvard student/acress cause such a stir? Because she is alone in the public with cajones, and she is a girl!!!

1 posted on 04/19/2002 10:52:04 AM PDT by besieged
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To: besieged
Islam is peace ^@__*^ and Quran was written by a someone who thought /girlswomen should be sex slaves.( Why else would there be 72 virgins in allah's paradise , 4 wives etc
2 posted on 04/19/2002 10:55:29 AM PDT by KQQL
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To: besieged
Islam is peace ^@__*^ and Quran was written by a someone who thought girls/women should be sex slaves.( Why else would there be 72 virgins in allah's paradise , and men allowed 4 wives etc
3 posted on 04/19/2002 10:56:04 AM PDT by KQQL
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To: besieged
As long as the killings of Jews, Christians, Hindus and other Muslim groups are justified by crude interpretations of the Quran, Muslims are letting Islam die.

Not much to interpret here, dude:

Medina Suras
The Chapter of Women
[Chapters from the Koran]
The Harvard Classics 1909–14

But if there befalls you grace from God, he would say—as though there were no friendship between you and him—‘O would that I had been with thee to attain this mighty happiness!’ Let those then fight in God’s way who sell this life of the world for the next; and whoso fights in God’s way, then, be he killed or be he victorious, we will give him a mighty hire.

What ails you that ye do not fight in God’s way, and for the weak men and women and children, who say, ‘Lord, bring us out of this town 19 of oppressive folk, and make for us from Thee a patron, and make for us from Thee a help?’

Those who believe fight in the way of God; and those who disbelieve fight in the way of Tâghût; fight ye then against the friends of Satan, verily, Satan’s tricks are weak.

Do ye not see those to whom it is said, ‘Restrain your hands, and be steadfast in prayer and give alms;’ and when it is prescribed for them to fight then a band of them fear men, as though it were the fear of God or a still stronger fear, and they say, ‘O our Lord! why hast thou prescribed for us to fight, couldst thou not let us abide till our near appointed time?’ Say, ‘The enjoyment of this world is but slight, and the next is better for him who fears;’—but they shall not be wronged a straw.

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Why are ye two parties about the hypocrites, when God hath overturned them for what they earned? Do ye wish to guide those whom God hath led astray? Whoso God hath led astray ye shall not surely find for him a path. They would fain that ye misbelieve as they misbelieve, that ye might be alike; take ye not patrons from among them until they too flee in God’s way; but if they turn their backs, then seize them and kill them wheresoever ye find them, and take from them neither patron nor help,—save those who reach a people betwixt whom and you is an alliance—or who come to you while their bosoms prevent them from fighting you or fighting their own people. But had God pleased He would have given you dominion over them, and they would surely have fought you. But if they retire from you and do not fight you, and offer you peace,—then God hath given you no way against them.

Ye will find others who seek for quarter from you, and quarter from their own people; whenever they return to sedition they shall be overturned therein: but if they retire not from you, nor offer you peace, nor restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wheresoever ye find them;—over these we have made for you manifest power.


4 posted on 04/19/2002 10:58:02 AM PDT by SlickWillard
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Muslim voices of sanity seem to end up dead. Why did the WhiteHouse invite the radicals of CAIR and AMC over and not some of the other more sane representatives? Granted, there probably aren't too many of them. Also, the voices of Sufism, once prevalent in Pakistan have been brutally shut down. Most of the mosques in the US are Saudi Financed. Clerics appointed by the saudis are immersed in Wahhabism.
5 posted on 04/19/2002 11:02:09 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: SlickWillard
I spit on islam.......Muhammad is not a prophet....... allah is not God.......

JESUS IS LORD, SON OF GOD

6 posted on 04/19/2002 11:02:09 AM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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7 posted on 04/19/2002 11:02:31 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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i dont buy this apologist drivel..
actions speak louder than words, and whoever wrote this is by far in the minority..
it sounds like an 'american muslim'.. muslims of other country would eat this person for breakfast.
8 posted on 04/19/2002 11:04:13 AM PDT by wafflehouse
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To: SlickWillard
The difference is Arabs know what the Quran really says, but non arabs muslims try to put a fool the west by putting a moderate face to Islam/ quran...................................
as far I know...........arabs consider non arab muslims as second class muslims.......so I doubt arabs will give a damn about what non -arabs think

After all , the birth place of islam is Saudi arabia and not Pakistan ..and someone should read what the quran says and not what the word is is or was was....

10 posted on 04/19/2002 11:06:39 AM PDT by KQQL
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To: SouthernFreebird
allah is a moon god.......now now... even the moon has feelings... so be nice to the moon
11 posted on 04/19/2002 11:08:04 AM PDT by KQQL
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Muslim voices of sanity seem to end up dead.

There is no such thing as a Muslim voice of sanity. Islam, like Marxism, is a religion of, by, and for, thieves and murderers.

12 posted on 04/19/2002 11:08:27 AM PDT by SlickWillard
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To: besieged
No one can "interpret away" the fact that Muhammed married a 6-year-old and consumated the marriage when she was 9.
13 posted on 04/19/2002 11:10:09 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: besieged
Speaking for myself?

Sorry, it's too late.
There was a small window after 911, when, if enough Muslim clerics, spokesmen, and members had come forward and denounced it, I would have listened.

Too late.

My heart is very hard towards these people. Their time has passed....

14 posted on 04/19/2002 11:11:15 AM PDT by backhoe
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Yes, Interpreting the spread of islam as Arab imperialism, pure and simple i think is a valid way to go. After all, all converts are required to learn Arabic.
15 posted on 04/19/2002 11:13:52 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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Agreeed; imagine if they had held a Pro-US rally in NYC post 9/11 the way they have for the palestians recently. THe ungratefulness of the Arab/muslim populations in the US towards this country is stupefying.
16 posted on 04/19/2002 11:15:57 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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The difference is Arabs know what the Quran really says, but non arabs muslims try to put a fool the west by putting a moderate face to Islam

Actually, some Muslims believe that lying to the "infidel" is morally permissible in the cause of advancing the spread of Islam. The practice is called taqija.

17 posted on 04/19/2002 11:17:41 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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lol......most non -arab muslims I have come across tell me they don't even know arabic....but just learn enough arabic to read the quran,,,,,,,of course most don't have clue what they read........but follow it any ways...

as far as I know, the real face of Islam is in the arab world not in the non-arab muslim nations.

18 posted on 04/19/2002 11:19:47 AM PDT by KQQL
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Hmmmm..thanks for the info...this says it all....

Muhammed did it
Taqija was practised by the Prophet, Mohammed, himself; in negotiations where he fooled his opponents. For that very reason Muslims often enter into agreements intending to break them when they have assumed control of the situation. ( This means , even if the Plo makes peace with Israel, they will still work to destroy Israel

19 posted on 04/19/2002 11:24:40 AM PDT by KQQL
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Qura'n Needs To Be Re-Interpreted To Reflect The True Spirit Of Islam

Actually, a good beginning could be made by running it through Babelfish and then Google's offensive content filter.

20 posted on 04/19/2002 11:28:30 AM PDT by Cachelot
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