GLSEN (Gay and Lesbian Educational Network) Assault on Broward County Public Schools!!!

The goal of this organization is to counter institutionalized bigotry against gays and lesbians or those perceived to be gays or lesbians in the public schools. I support that goal. If some in the organization act inappropriately, they should be disciplined and removed.

We are witnessing the effects of homosexuals in leadership/power positions now with the travesty occuring in the Catholic Church. Is there any reason to believe that they won't end up causing the same problems here?

No. You are witnessing the results of gay men who were never meant to be priests. They joined the Clergy in a desperate gambit to reconcile their sexual orientation with the expectations of their culture. The results are predictably a disaster. IMHO heterosexual men in similar circumstances would produce the same results. Human beings under pressure make bad choices. But that is a topic for another thread.

What we have witnessed is a small group of people who support abhorrent behavior…

So this isn’t about children, this is about punishing sin. I was unaware I was in the presence of a deity. Forgive me for criticizing your divine plan to punish effeminate looking teen-agers by letting bullies beat the crap out of them.

…now in a position to indoctrinate youth in a public forum subsidized by Broward County tax payers.

Once again, teachers – not students - can get information from GLSEN. How does advocating a course of action to a teacher “indoctrinate youth”?

Once again, a minority of liberals has dictated their beliefs over the majority who stand firmly against it.

It was a majority vote by a majority elected School Board. It will assuredly be challenged in court to insure the rights of the minority (that would be your side) are not infringed. That’s the American system.

What you've seen on the GLSEN site is nothing compared to what was there before they lost the vote in October. They cleaned up the site so that people who are new to the issue would not be outraged at what they intend to do.

Well, if they cleaned up their act and got rid of those who usurp parental rights, then they’re ok in my book.

I will say it again. Attempting to inflict behavior on children which is contrary to that which the parents have raised them by can not be tolerated. This is not over by a long shot.

And you’re completely wrong. If that behavior involves violating the rights of other student (i.e. gay bashing) then the school has both the right and the responsibility to insure the influence of the parent is countered and the student’s behavior is corrected. Wanna tell your kids that homosexuality is sinful? No problem. Wanna raise your kids with a faith that is intolerant of gays? No problem either. But if you want to give your kid a big atta-boy ‘cause he beat up some gay (or precieved gay) kid at school then we have a problem because you are an unfit parent.

And that is what this is really all about.

The continued mistake all the ilk of glsen make is very simple:
If this is about bullying, then it should be made to directly stop the bully's behavior.
There is no need to identify specific sexual conduct.

You use the existing common sense rules that exist and common sense adult behvior.
"No, you don't hit people in school for any reason."
Off campus, that is a police matter.
As a parent I would want to know if the teacher of my child has anything to do with these materials.
NO ten year old should be considering ANY sexual behavior.

The only success glsen will do is to make the existing bullys
hurt children in a more sensitive way.

Q:Is there not some form of school guidelines about what
sexual conduct is accepable in school? A: No sex in school.
They should put something in writing.

So whose up for re-election?
Is trenchy still alive?

Hi Jenny65, as I understand, the workshops and curriculums are at the discretion of the teachers. The thing is here that it simply gives license for more explicit exposure from teachers who were already activists.

The scandal in Boston occured when teachers compelled students to visit off-campus workshops. That's where the "fisting" debacle took place. As for the parents, you have those who are involved, and those who will sign anything if it gets the kids out of the house.

I think the bigger issue last night (GLSEN won the vote 6-3) was that despite the hundreds of thousands of people who stood firmly against it, the minute minority was placed above them.

The arguement was to teach "tolerance" but the school already had a comprehensive tolerance program in place, so no outside intervention was really necessary, especially from a group with GLSEN's history.

As far as the tolerance issue, I was never raised to "bash" homosexuals. If anything I was a friend to these people in high school, as I was not raised in an environment of hate, but a Christian home. That still doesn't mean I don't know right from wrong or normal from abnormal, and I certainly wouldn't support the propagation of the latter.

I dunno. It's not even me that's directly impacted this morning, but my neighbors kids. I just feel like I need to do more to help now.

Now I'm going to inflict my faith upon people in an open forum. How are people of faith to respond to these evil days? The Bible prophesized we would see these attitudes occurring in the world. II Timothy 3:1-4 says, This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God.

Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Oh, and for those of you who still watch CNN:

"Christians are losers." - Ted Turner

The Bible says: The unregenerate man thinks Christians are crazy because they don't do the same wicked stuff he does and they don't hold the same wicked opinions he does. I Peter 4:3-4, For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you.

"The Christians?!? F* 'em!" - Chairman at a GLSEN meeting which was recorded and played before the school board at last night's meeting.

Oh, and one more thing having listened to the entire meeting last night:

That jerk Lois Wexler had the nerve to lecture the group for showing up for this meeting and not for others concerning the lack of money for the school budget.

The Jerk didn't take a second to consider two things: 1) The lack of a chair or a book is not a direct threat to the well being of a child, it is temporary at best and can be overcome 2) The potential exposure to social indoctrination contrary to the parents beliefs is a direct threat to the child and in the case of GLSEN, could potentially threaten the child's life.

As far as the school budget, we all know that rampant waste and unnecessary expenditures play more of a role than an actual lack of proper funding. Perhaps is she withdrew those dues from the NEA or stopped funding radical indoctrination programs like this one they just voted in she could purchase that extra chair herself!

What an *ss she is.

all the ilk of glsen

They’re not ilk; they’re people, just like you.

If this is about bullying, then it should be made to directly stop the bully's behavior.

That hasn’t seemed to work. In fact there is evidence that suggests the specific targeting of perceived homosexual students is widespread in our school systems and either ignored or (in some cases) subtlety encouraged by teachers. That’s wrong and if GLSEN can help without costing the taxpayers any money, I’m all for it.

There is no need to identify specific sexual conduct.

I agree. There is no need to discuss sex acts. There is however a need to teach respect.

You use the existing common sense rules that exist and common sense adult behvior.

That’s been tried many times, and hasn’t seemed to work.

NO ten year old should be considering ANY sexual behavior.

Once again, I agree. If anyone undermines parental rights in this regards, they need to leave the school system.

The only success glsen will do is to make the existing bullys hurt children in a more sensitive way.

Maybe, maybe not. We won’t know until we try – and as I mentioned before, it’s free.

A: No sex in school. They should put something in writing.

They did. They put in an amendment to the resolution emphasizing the power of the school board to remove GLSEN at any time.

So whose up for re-election? Is trenchy still alive?

I’m not sure. I don’t know enough about the people who make up my local government as I should. I’m working to change this.

"There is no need to identify specific sexual conduct. I agree. There is no need to discuss sex acts. There is however a need to teach respect."

Teaching respect, and any other forms and nuances of morality, is the reponsibility of parents, not public schools. If a public school wants to correct bad behavior of students, they should speak directly to the parents of a disruptor, and not proselytize to a disruptive child on matters of morality. In other words, deal with disruptors using the old-fashioned and correct methods, where morality is imbued with students only through parents, after consultation with teachers.

Teaching respect, and any other forms and nuances of morality, is the reponsibility of parents, not public schools.

I agree. But what should we do when parents neglect this responsibility? My preferable solution would be to expel a continuously disruptive student permanently. But in this nation education is considered a right, so we can’t do that. My solution is unacceptable for a number of other reasons as well. So what do we do?

If a public school wants to correct bad behavior of students, they should speak directly to the parents of a disruptor, and not proselytize to a disruptive child on matters of morality.

And what do you do when that doesn’t work?

In other words, deal with disruptors using the old-fashioned and correct methods, where morality is imbued with students only through parents, after consultation with teachers.

Actually, the old fashioned methods involved beating the disruptor. But I agree with you that the schools should not teach morality - that usurps parental authority. Schools should teach students to respect the rights of others but not as part of a comprehensive moral system. That’s really the minimum needed to insure a safe learning environment.

Then again, is that a workable solution?

The solution to students, whose disruptive behavior is serially uncorrectable via parental moral instruction, is expulsion. Conventional public schooling is actually education entitlement welfare, so it is not really a fundamental right. If a child commits crime while expelled from school, he/she should be sent to a public education boot camp where learning is regimented and behavior is controlled, similar to reform school. A better long term solution to consider is to pay children directly for good grades on state proctored tests. Rewarding kids rather than educrats for the hard work associated with learning is a more natural fit with the way the real world operates. As it exists currently, educrats suck-up the majority of tax dollars for public schooling, with little practical incentive to improve results. By cutting out the middleman educrats, the taxpayer would get not only a better education value, but also kids that are ready after graduation to pay for college, or start a career using their own earned financial resources.

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