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Back in Jenin, Refugees Hope to Find Survivors
NY Times | April 18, 2002 | DAVID ROHDE

Posted on 04/18/2002 3:54:23 AM PDT by Jethro Tull



April 18, 2002

Back in Jenin, Refugees Hope to Find Survivors

By DAVID ROHDE

JENIN REFUGEE CAMP, West Bank, April 17 — Thousands of Palestinians poured back into this demolished refugee camp this afternoon when Israeli forces briefly seemed to have withdrawn. Under a blazing sun, they began clawing at mounds of rubble with backhoes, shovels and their bare hands.

Some searched for people they thought might be buried alive beneath buildings flattened by Israeli bulldozers. Others simply hoped to bring dignity to the dead.

Among them was Muhammad Abu Khurj, 75, who had returned to look for the remains of his sister, who had been killed in their house on April 5 in an Israeli missile attack. He himself had been ordered to leave the camp two days later by Israeli troops. Now he walked into his bullet-pocked home and forced his aged legs up four flights of stairs. Entering a room on the top floor, he looked panicked.

"They moved her! They moved her!" he said. "Do you see her blood?" he said, frantically pointing at the blood stain. "This is her blood!"

Then he spotted something in the corner and lifted up a piece of carpet covering it. Underneath was the body of a woman. Her curly gray hair teemed with maggots. Mr. Khurj left the room in silence.

As he searched for someone to help him with the fetid body, he seethed. "Sharon will regret this," he said referring to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. "Sharon will regret this."

Today's digging did little to clear up the dispute over how many fighters and civilians lie entombed in Jenin. About 6:45 p.m., Israeli armored vehicles re-entered the area, firing machine guns in the air and sending people running for cover. The bodies of five fighters were found by Palestinians today, as well as body parts of civilians.

Frustration among Palestinians is soaring over the slow pace of international and Israeli efforts to recover bodies in this camp, which to Palestinians has rapidly become hallowed ground.

Teams from the International Committee of the Red Cross have removed only 14 bodies in the last three days and say they are hampered by a lack of bomb-disposal and search-and-rescue teams. Israeli officials, who have tightly restricted access to the site since fighting ended eight days ago, say military search-and-rescue units are at work there, but none were seen today during a six-hour tour of the area.

Palestinians took matters into their own hands this afternoon.

Municipal work crews used backhoes to tear into a mound of rubble that was believed to lie on top of a cave sheltering Palestinian fighters and possibly civilians. Nearby, a group of Palestinian Red Cross workers formed a line where people passed chunks of concrete from a collapsed house hand to hand. In one spot, a woman pawed through the pile of rubble that was once her home, wailing as she pulled bits of clothing from the dirt.

The decaying body of Mr. Khurj's sister appears to be one of the clearest examples to date of a civilian having been killed in an Apache helicopter missile attack. There is an enormous hole in the wall of her bedroom and a two-foot-wide crater in the floor. Shards of a missile, including one with labels in English describing "firing temperature" and "cooling temperature," littered the floor. Near the hole in the wall was a pool of dried blood. Mr. Khurj said the missile struck in the middle of the night on the third day of the attack. It killed his sister instantly. Israeli soldiers who later occupied the house ordered him to leave.

At dusk, a group of boys who were part of the throng made another discovery that suggested civilians died in the attacks. They walked through the crowd cradling an object they said they had pulled from the rubble of a house struck by a missile. Wrapped in a black cloth was the charred remains of a foot so small it appeared to be that of a child.

This morning, two Palestinian men covered their mouths as they dug out body parts from the rubble of a house bulldozed by the Israelis. They hoisted them in the air to make their point that people had been in the buildings, showing what appeared to be a foot and a leg. An hour later, a Red Cross team removed several crushed body parts from a nearby street.

Just after 1 p.m., a Palestinian ambulance driver working with the Red Cross emerged from a building carrying an elderly woman on his back.

The woman, Afifeh Suleyman Daoud, lived alone only 20 yards from houses that had been bulldozed. She said she had been in her house for the last 15 days and survived on food and water from neighbors.

Palestinians fleeing the camp have said that a paralyzed young man and a handful of families hiding in their houses were buried alive by Israeli bulldozers. Israeli officials say they issued clear and repeated warnings over megaphones to residents to leave the camp, particularly in areas where houses were bulldozed. But Ms. Daoud, who is blind and partly deaf, said she had never heard any Israeli orders to leave the camp, or the bulldozers flattening houses nearby.

Frightened and disoriented, her blank eyes stared at the ambulance's ceiling this afternoon as she muttered a single phrase.

"Take me back to my house," she said. "Take me back to my house."

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1 posted on 04/18/2002 3:54:23 AM PDT by Jethro Tull
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To: TomB
You demand bodies?

Here's your rotting bodies....

2 posted on 04/18/2002 3:56:04 AM PDT by Jethro Tull
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To: Jethro Tull
How many? Two?
3 posted on 04/18/2002 4:03:46 AM PDT by LarryM
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To: Jethro Tull
Wow! Well, I'm convinced, looks like a real massacre.

A couple more Jenin's and we'll begin to approach the body count of the homicide bombers.

4 posted on 04/18/2002 4:05:09 AM PDT by TomB
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To: Jethro Tull
So what does this prove? ZERO! NOTHING! No one claims that civilian casualties did not occur, not even the IDF. We had hundreds of them over in Afghanistan. You make a laughing stock out of yourself presenting this as proof of your massacre.
5 posted on 04/18/2002 4:06:10 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Jethro Tull; TomB
This article provides proof of the amazing restraint and care shown by the IDF not to harm civilians. While engaged in intense warfare against thousands of terrorists, among tens of thousands of civilans, only a few civilan causulties. Incredible job!!! If the US went in, there probably would have been 10X as many.
6 posted on 04/18/2002 4:12:21 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Jethro Tull
There is no verifiable evidence in this fact-less, emotion-charged, Joeseph Goebells School of the Big Lie pro-palli-propaganda piece that any bodies have yet been located in the scene of the latest fantasized "massacre" of the Jordanian, Lebanese, Syrian and Egyptian islamanazi terrorists usually referred to as "palestinians."
7 posted on 04/18/2002 4:16:37 AM PDT by Brian Allen
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To: Jethro Tull
These few civilian casualties would not have occurred had the PA not allowed and encouraged the Hamas to build a terrorist base in the camp, replete with bomb-making factories, weapons, stores, and a suicide/homicide bomber assembly line. What is amazing is how few civilian casualties there appear to have been. Good work IDF.
8 posted on 04/18/2002 4:41:02 AM PDT by tomahawk
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To: Jethro Tull
Back in Jenin, Refugees Hope to Find Survivors

Back in Jenin, Jew-Haters Hope to Find Many Dead Bodies

9 posted on 04/18/2002 4:44:36 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Jethro Tull
Since the civilians were allowing themselves to be used to provide cover for explosives labs, weapons caches, and terrorist hide-outs, what did you expect? They should count their blessings that the Israelis didn't carpet bomb them.
10 posted on 04/18/2002 4:49:57 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Jethro Tull
BTW, if the info comes from the NYT...Well, you might want to look for another source for your info.
11 posted on 04/18/2002 4:51:49 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Jethro Tull
Twice in my life I have smelled the awful stench of what is left after civilians are targeted, once in Oklahoma city, and once in New York. What is described is awful. Of that there is no doubt. What is ghoulish is the body count game, how many before there is an atrocity? How many make a massacre, should we have children included before we call it a massacre? But the stories are thing, aren't they complete with name and age of victims, names of grieving relatives, gives it a human side doesn't it? And still, the story while awful, doesn't do much more than whore the dead and feed the propoganda machine, so cynically and so coldly. Terror is a dead girl who chose her own time and method of death and shared it with the innocent and unsuspecting, war is the soldier who everyone knows is coming. Hard is the heart that can't feel anything at all, but ignorant is the mind that cannot sort out the differences, and is not allowed to protect its own.

regards

13 posted on 04/18/2002 5:35:10 AM PDT by okiedust
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To: Jethro Tull
Another factor leading to the destruction of the camp was the fact that the Hamas suicide/homicide squads living there had wired many of the building with explosives. Hence the 13 IDF troops that were killed in one builiding. Trip wires everywhere, buried bombs, etc. The Hamas was blowing up buildings as well as the IDF. Difference is, IDF blew buildings only when there were confirmed militants present.

Articles on civilian casualties were also written after the U.S. bombed suspected Taliban and Al Qaeda bases. Fact is, the jihadists intentionally build terror camps in civilian areas to "immunize" them from attack, and to blame the West for killing civilians when they are struck.

For every dead civilian in Jenin (none intentional), there is reason to believe that dozens if not a hundred innocent Israeli civilians (intentionally targeted by Hamas) have been saved.

Destroying the Jenin terror factory was a moral imperative.

14 posted on 04/18/2002 5:46:17 AM PDT by tomahawk
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To: tomahawk;Jethro Tull
""Another factor leading to the destruction of the camp was the fact that the Hamas suicide/homicide squads living there had wired many of the building with explosives."

You can say that again ... see what they've done in Gaza, identical to the fortified slum of Jenin.

In Gaza Set Traps And Wait For Israeli Prey

15 posted on 04/18/2002 5:50:54 AM PDT by BlueLancer
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To: tomahawk
There is a subset of the Brigadiers who really wish the Jews would just quietly line up for the showers like they did last time...
16 posted on 04/18/2002 5:51:25 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: BlueLancer
Thanks, I hadn't seen that article on the Gaza refugee camps being wired to be blown sky high by Hamas. The Pals are not only trying to maximize Israeli civilian casualties, they're doing there best to ensure they have their own.
17 posted on 04/18/2002 6:00:32 AM PDT by tomahawk
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To: BlueLancer
#15: From the article, "But Ms. Daoud, who is blind and partly deaf, said she had never heard any Israeli orders to leave the camp."

Nice job Sharon...

18 posted on 04/18/2002 6:14:26 AM PDT by Jethro Tull
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To: tomahawk
#14: "For every dead civilian in Jenin (none intentional)

hehehehehehehe....

19 posted on 04/18/2002 6:15:48 AM PDT by Jethro Tull
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To: Jethro Tull
BTW, Tull...Ever wonder why Jenin was still a refugee camp? It didn't have to be. Back in the Toon admin, we offered Arafat money to build decent housing in Jenin. Arafat refused it. Now why do you suppose he did that...?
20 posted on 04/18/2002 6:17:51 AM PDT by mewzilla
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