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To: uncbob
Even though Israel was founded in large part by the political murder, terror, coercion and other deceits of folks like Menachem Begin (whom they returned to power ... just as they returned a terrorist and butcher like Sharon to power ... a man who uses his own settlers like stuffing for the sausage casing of conquest) ... I still hold Israel to a higher standard than ragtag, radicalized Palestinians whose cross to bear are the militant atheist communists applying the cat o'nine tails that is an already error-prone faith fueled by hate.

They are pawns ... simply a part of effecting the stated communist objective of an "arc of radical Islam" to confound us and constitute the crisis necessary to confect a security collective in the ME region. (Much like they finessed the New NATO in the Euro Soviet ... only different because they too see the brown and black people as exceptionally expendable.)

If I hold Israel to a higher standard, it's likely I have my reasons.

Abraham Pleads for Sodom


When the men got up to leave, they looked down toward Sodom, and Abraham walked along with them to see them on their way. Then the Lord said, "Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do?

Abraham will surely become a great and powerful nation, and all nations on earth will be blessed through him. For I have chosen him, so that he will direct his children and his household after him to keep the way of the Lord by doing what is right and just, so that the Lord will bring about for Abraham what he has promised him."

Then the Lord said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know." The men turned away and went toward Sodom, but Abraham remained standing before the Lord.

Then Abraham approached him and said: "Will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked? What if there are fifty righteous people in the city? Will you really sweep it away and not spare the place for the sake of the fifty righteous people in it? Far be it from you to do such a thing-to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you!

Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?"

The Lord said, "If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake."

Then Abraham spoke up again: "Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, though I am nothing but dust and ashes, what if the number of the righteous is five less than fifty? Will you destroy the whole city because of five people?"
"If I find forty-five there," he said, "I will not destroy it."

Once again he spoke to him, "What if only forty are found there?"
He said, "For the sake of forty, I will not do it."

Then he said, "May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak. What if only thirty can be found there?"
He answered, "I will not do it if I find thirty there."

Abraham said, "Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, what if only twenty can be found there?"
He said, "For the sake of twenty, I will not destroy it."

Then he said, "May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more. What if only ten can be found there?"
He answered, "For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it."

When the Lord had finished speaking with Abraham, he left, and Abraham returned home.

Thus spake the God of the Jews to Abraham ... father of Israel and God's own beloved who witnessed with his own life -- and the willingness to sacrifice his only son -- his being made in God's image.



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58 posted on 04/16/2002 2:46:16 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Askel5
The Israelis will get over being Jewish eventually, and then eliminate Palestinian terrorism.
64 posted on 04/16/2002 2:49:21 PM PDT by Thud
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To: Askel5
Moderator is Catholic too!
70 posted on 04/16/2002 3:00:10 PM PDT by sausageseller
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To: Askel5
Why is that soldier pointing a gun at that child?
76 posted on 04/16/2002 3:07:48 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Askel5
If I hold Israel to a higher standard, it's likely I have my reasons.

Most likely based on your years in the military in global conflicts or better yet your experience in fighting terrorists in the Middle East especially house to house to avoid carpet bombing that is far more severe on civilians
77 posted on 04/16/2002 3:14:00 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: Askel5
I've enough Israeli body parts lately to not feel sorry for any Palestinians. Maybe they should ask Arafat why their homes are being bulldozed and why their unemployment is so high; he's done sooooo much for his people.
86 posted on 04/16/2002 3:44:54 PM PDT by Robear
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To: Askel5

This is a great propaganda photo you posted, but what does it really show? At first glance, it appears that the soldier is pointing his gun at the little child. However, a closer look shows that not to be true.

Is the soldier pointing his weapon at someone on the ground? Who is it and why is he doing that? We don't know. Is he justified? No way to tell from this photo.

Is the soldier even an Israeli? Is that an Israeli helmet he is wearing?

Where and when was this photo taken? Do I see snow on the ground?

153 posted on 04/16/2002 7:37:00 PM PDT by Inyokern
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