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Good, they NEED to pay more, or they need to work more, like I did. And FYI, John, I paid 22% of my 25k last year, and not only do I manage my money well, but I use a CPA too. To suggest that the rest of us are at fault is just crap. Perhaps you should look over your own math?

This year, I made almost 80k, and will pay about 10%, because now I know the game, and I know where the loopholes are. Do you think I feel guilty? Hell no, it's STILL too much.

Every bit of food you buy, every item of clothing, every gallon of gas, every phone call you make, every watt of electricity you use, every candy bar, every movie ticket, everything you do or buy is TAXED, JOHN, you can not spend a single f--ing dime anywhere in this country without the damned government STEALING some portion of it, and you can usually count on the state piggybacking a few nickels for itself along the way.

Everybody do your math, how many paying over 15% of gross income now?

I am, John, ME. Now, you wonder how that can be since I just told you I'm paying about 10% this year, right? Well, that's because my 10% raping is done by the Federal Govt, and when I claim to pay more than that, you better believe I do, because I spent a lot of money this year on food, gasoline, and everything else I need to survive. When it's all added up, it still lands just north of 25%. Don't take this to mean that I am being harsh with you, by the way, I just get hot when I think about the money I lose to the government every year.

Well, I glad you caught on. I thought the subject was current income tax vs. some new vague, percentage undetermined "flat tax". Sounds like a 15% "flat tax" would increase your overall tax burden like I said. All those other taxes, you're talking about aren't income taxes. But I agree they don't need to be as high as they are. Government spending is really a different issue.