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To: fire and forget
While I admit that a flat rate tax would be better than what we have now, it is still a tax on productivity that, by it's very nature, and this applies to all income taxes, discourages saving and responsible money management by individuals. Far better a national sales tax that a citizen can mitigate by simply spending less.

"Throughout most of American history, taxes were levied principally on consumption, rather than income.... In the Federalist Papers, Alexander Hamilton had this to say, 'It is a signal advantage of taxes on articles of consumption that they contain in their own nature a security against excess. ... If duties are too high, they lessen the consumption; the collection is eluded; and the product to the Treasury is not so great as when they are confined within proper and moderate bounds.' Hamilton was thinking here about direct taxes on consumption, such as the sales taxes levied by most state governments. He was right in thinking that there is a limit to such taxes. Experience shows that general sales tax rates much above 10 percent are very hard to collect. They encourage smuggling, black markets, evasion, production for personal use, substitution for untaxed commodities and other activities that erode the tax base." --Bruce Bartlett

The above shamelessly plagiarized from THE FEDERALIST

Think of the effect a change to a national sales tax might have on the American public and our economy. Not to mention the savings to the government in administration costs.

57 posted on 04/15/2002 5:19:46 PM PDT by Chuckster
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To: Chuckster
While I admit that a flat rate tax would be better than what we have now, it is still a tax on productivity that, by it's very nature, and this applies to all income taxes, discourages saving and responsible money management by individuals. Far better a national sales tax that a citizen can mitigate by simply spending less.

A national sales tax in lieu of a flat income tax would be very nice for the reasons you stated. Every taxpayer will be reminded of the tax every time he makes a purchase; it's a good reminder for him to vote for small government. It would also encourage families to teach their children to be industrious and to save money.

But, it seems almost impossible because:
1. the advocates for the poor will cry foul over the regressive tax causing some poor to go hungry
2. the tax rate would be far above the magic 10% (you quoted from the Federalist), above which tax evasion will occur. Sales tax is already 7.25% in California state (which has "progressive" income tax around 10%), plus up to 1% county tax. Assuming the federal tax costs much more than state tax, the total sales tax on goods might come out to 40-70%.
I assumed that the government maintain the current revenues, all income taxes were abolished (supposing 10% for CA and 21% for federal income tax), and most people did not spend their entire incomes only on purchasing goods)
3. double taxation is nearly inevitable on finished goods, if some of the supplies used were already taxed.
4. tax-and-spend politicians in Congress would never allow it because it might ultimately reduce the amount of revenue they get to spend. There's no initiative/referendum process for citizens to change the IRS system, so the only way would be to elect supporters of abolishment of income tax. (and that's hard)

63 posted on 04/15/2002 5:57:05 PM PDT by heleny
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To: Chuckster
Would love to see it happen. Let the govt. operating on, say, 15% its present budget, and allocate funds to priorities accordingly. Two-thirds or so to national defense, the balance to all other federal activities on the basis of priority.

If only it were a perfect world.

102 posted on 04/15/2002 8:57:17 PM PDT by fire and forget
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