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How did the men get in the ditch Wraith?

You first postulated that the KLA lured the Serbs into Racak in order to goad them into committing an atrocity, and since you stated the locals were LDK supporters, that made sense.

In this thread, however, you're supporting the position that the men in the ditch were moved or manipulated post mortem by the KLA, implying that they were something other than unarmed civilians murdered in vengeance by the Serbs - and no, you cannot simply write off any evidence as being biased as Milosevic's defenders would like to do ("falsified" & "flawed"). Ultimately, you are positioning yourself as a source of information on the matter, but in doing so, you had better be able to corroborate your version of events with other's observations or you will wind up isolating yourself from any possibility of being credible, and attacking the Forensics report or the OSCE without plausible alternatives isn't a way to skip around the issue.

There were some 1.8 million Kosovar Albanians in Kosovo during this time, yet you seem to be proposing that there is no such thing as a non-KLA or non-combatant victim of the Serbs from your post: They weren't just farmers, right? Simple farmers don't have AK-47s with which to defend themselves per your scenario, unless the KLA was arming the LDK as well as getting them bumped off - but the logical flaws inherent in this scenario render it highly unlikely.

If you don't want to be tarred with the brush, don't stand on that particular canvas, Wraith - the Serbs are good for the Racak massacre, and no amount of revisionism or sophistry is going to change the matter - not from Milosevic, not from his supporters, and yes, not from you either. Stick to coloring within the lines bounding the truth and the possible. Without new evidence which allows for the impeachment of Ranta's work, Ranta's work stands.

SKS Snajperi (or whatever he's going to call himself next) was there (Bosnia) as well, but his information isn't worth the server space it's wasting - just a note of caution.

Hoplite, when rhe kangaroo Court indicts Ariel Sharon for responsability for the Sabra and Chatila camp massacres by Israeli proxies, then we can talk of burdening Miloshvich with Rachak. In the meantime -- with a looming threat from NATO, and an increasingly impatient Madeleine Albright -- let's just try to show the motive the Serbs would have to do what they are accused of doing. Any crimes has to have a motive. Revenge could be even an acceptable possible explanation as motive for irrelgular units, renegade soliders, someone who lost someone to KLA in the past, etc. But with regular Serbian MUP units, and CIA-staffed Kosovo Verification Team and their Grand Liar at the helm taking notes of everything, just plain revenge is less of a plausable explanation, especially since the only ones who stood to gain from such an event were the Kosovo Albanians. The Serbs had everything to lose.

The fact is that William Walker "knew" the Serbs were behind the murders the next day without any proof. And his words were taken as fact. Be it as it may, there are doubts and questions that have been raised about it that cloud the clear-cut, politically extorted Ranta report.

Ultimately, you are positioning yourself as a source of information on the matter, but in doing so, you had better be able to corroborate your version of events with other's observations or you will wind up isolating yourself from any possibility of being credible, and attacking the Forensics report or the OSCE without plausible alternatives isn't a way to skip around the issue. There were some 1.8 million Kosovar Albanians in Kosovo during this time, yet you seem to be proposing that there is no such thing as a non-KLA or non-combatant victim of the Serbs from your post: They weren't just farmers, right? Simple farmers don't have AK-47s with which to defend themselves per your scenario, unless the KLA was arming the LDK as well as getting them bumped off - but the logical flaws inherent in this scenario render it highly unlikely.

Have you ever heard of fighting a loosing battle Hoplite? In this case a loosing battle the would certainly end up in the deaths of the untrained Racak villagers?

As far as unarmed civilians in Kosovo, Albanians consider having a weapon within the home as a point of honor according to the Kanun their unwritten laws. These laws includes an integral part of how to kill an offending individual in what they consider a civilized way. Now since the Communist Albanian Government fell the weapons storage facilities were ransacked by the local population. I saw the events take place which was being filmed by the news media after the wall fell in Germany. A lot of those arms ended up in Kosovo and you know which kind of weapon was the most common Hoplite, the good old AK-47. I have seen enough seized AK-47 and even some Thompson Sub machine guns left over from the last war to fill an office. Some old Nazi weapons as well. For some reason they never leave anything to go to waste in the former Yugoslavia.

Yes there are some Kosovar Albanians who refuse to have arms in the house but not very many. The LDK representatives are very moderate pacifists. You don't hear about any UCK types getting bumped off by the Military wing of the LDK do you? Never the less a lot of LDK supporters like in Racak did fight with the UCK when the Serbs were in control of Kosovo.

Every village has enough hidden arms for the locals to use incase of any future attack by the Serbs. This is a fact. The big thing here is who controls these weapons stashes and I can assure you it is not the LDK. What I have said is far from being unlikely, logical flaws inherent in this scenario, I don't think so.

It is not I that is getting tarred Hoplite. If denial and having tunnel vision is the way you wish to be so be it. Remember the UCK had approx. 15 hours of control over Racak after the Serbs left on January 15, 1999 and yes the UCK put them in the ditch or worse.

Time to take the blinders off and look at the whole picture. If not you may just qualify for the OSCE supporter of the year award and get to meet Walkers and the rest of his Fusion cell. The sad thing is that no one would ever hear about it.