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Huge hydrogen stores found below Earth's crust.
The Vancouver Sun ^ | April 15, 2002 | Robert Matthews

Posted on 04/15/2002 10:47:19 AM PDT by texlok

Huge hydrogen stores found below Earth's crust Discovery suggests near limitless supply of clean fuel

Robert Matthews Vancouver Sun

Monday, April 15, 2002

LONDON -- Scientists have discovered vast quantities of hydrogen gas, widely regarded as the most promising alternative to today's dwindling stocks of fossil fuels, lying beneath the Earth's crust.

The discovery has stunned energy experts, who believe that it could provide virtually limitless supplies of clean fuel for cars, homes and industry.

Governments across the world are urgently seeking ways of switching from conventional energy sources such as coal, gas and nuclear power to cleaner, safer alternatives.

Energy specialists estimate that oil production will start to decline within the next 10 to 15 years, as the economically viable reserves start to run out.

Hydrogen gas has been hailed as the ultimate clean fuel, as it produces only water when burned. Until now, however, moves to switch to a "hydrogen economy" have been dogged by the cost of making the gas. The two most common ways -- extraction from natural gas and sea water -- are expensive and create environmental problems.

Now scientists at the American space agency Nasa have found that the Earth's crust is a vast natural reservoir of hydrogen which has become trapped in ancient rocks.

The team made its discovery while trying to explain how bacteria live many miles below the Earth's surface. Such bugs have no access to sunlight, forcing them to rely on another source of energy for life. Scientists suspected that hydrogen was the source.

According to Professor Friedemann Freund and colleagues at Nasa's Ames Research Center in California, the gas is produced when water molecules trapped inside molten rock break down to release hydrogen.

"In the top 20 kilometres of the Earth's crust, the conditions are right to produce a nearly inexhaustible supply of hydrogen," said Professor Freund.

Studies by the team of common rock types such as granite and olivine have revealed extraordinarily high levels of trapped hydrogen. Professor Freund said that his team had "tantalizing evidence" that as much as 1,000 litres of hydrogen may be trapped in each cubic metre of rock.

Although formidable engineering problems remain to be overcome in abstracting the gas, the sheer volume of the Earth's crust means that such a high concentration would solve the world's energy problems.

"Everyone thinks of gas and oil as the main sources, and it's very difficult to get anyone to take alternatives seriously," said Dr. David Elliott, the professor of technology policy at the Open University in London. "The possibility of vast reserves of hydrogen in the Earth's crust could change that mindset."

The low yield of energy from burning hydrogen compared to gas, however, means that vast quantities of rock would have to be mined.

Professor Freund believes that the extraction and crushing of rock to extract the trapped hydrogen is likely to be prohibitively expensive. The reaction which creates the gas takes place at depths far below those involved in oil extraction, which are typically about two miles down.

The most promising source of the hydrogen may be geological "traps" similar to those now drilled for natural gas. Professor Freund said: "One of these natural hydrogen fields is already known to exist in North America, and extends from Canada to Kansas."

© Copyright 2002 Vancouver Sun


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: cars; energylist; environment; hydrogen; nasa; oil
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So will this get us away from buying oil from the middle-east, or will the environmentalists freak out if we start bringing hydrogen up?

It's a few years off, but should be interesting.

1 posted on 04/15/2002 10:47:19 AM PDT by texlok
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Lieberman will filibuster it as he is doing ANWR
2 posted on 04/15/2002 10:49:47 AM PDT by LarryLied
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I'll try anything to disassociate from any and all Arabs Bump
3 posted on 04/15/2002 10:50:38 AM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: texlok
Of course they will oppose it. Water vapor is a much more potent global warming gas than carbon dioxide.
4 posted on 04/15/2002 10:50:39 AM PDT by Henk
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To: texlok
So this stuff makes water as it burns, huh? Multiply times the number of autos and there's yer recipe for "Waterworld" :-)
5 posted on 04/15/2002 10:52:29 AM PDT by Darth Sidious
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They'll freak. Think of all the excess water we'll be pumping into the atmosphere! It will alter the weather! Floods and devastation everywhere! The sky is falling! Yikes! It RAINED!!!
6 posted on 04/15/2002 10:53:20 AM PDT by null and void
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I can guarantee the green weenies and their Democratic allies will oppose it's use as a replacement for fossil fuel.

The reasons? There are two.

First, the lefties cannot abide the successful continuation of capitalism, and cheap clean energy would be devastating for them.

Second, the use of hydrogen will eliminate a great deal of their "issues" for raising money for Mother Earth Inc.

That said, let's start the drilling ... for oil in ANWR as well as hydrogen. Let's get cranking on those hydrogen cells. Oh, and last memo OPEC and tell 'em to stick the oil where the sun don't shine.
7 posted on 04/15/2002 10:53:45 AM PDT by mgc1122
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will this get us away from buying oil from the middle-east

There might be a lot of hydrogen in the rock, but throw a few rocks in the fireplace and see how well they burn. How to extract the hydrogen and concentrate it without spending more energy doing so than you would get back from burning the hydrogen, that's the problem.

8 posted on 04/15/2002 10:56:27 AM PDT by RightWhale
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Energy specialists estimate that oil production will start to decline within the next 10 to 15 years, as the economically viable reserves start to run out.

I have been hearing this since I was six. That was more then ten to fifteen years ago.

Having said that if it will keep us from needing to kiss up to the ME for energy I am all for it. But don't look for the oil industry to collapse completely. We will still need oil for plastics and lubricants.

a.cricket

9 posted on 04/15/2002 10:56:47 AM PDT by another cricket
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The problem with hydrogen is that at its densest--as a cryogenic liquid at -423 F, it is only 4.4 pounds per cubic foot. Compare with gasoline at ~50 lb per cubic foot. Hydrogen liberates 3-4 times more energy per pound but only 1/3 as much per gallon.

The idea of citizens pumping liquid hydrogen into their cars is ludicrous. The tanks would be enormous, very costly due to extreme insulation requirements, etc.

Storage as a high-pressure gas is even worse, since the density of 10,000 psi hydrogen is 2.45 lb/ft3, i.e, almost two times worse than liquid hydrogen.

The right way to use H2 reserves is to convert coal to hydrocarbon fuels. With enough H2, energy, and coal, you can make any hydrocarbon fuel you want: gas, diesel, natural gas, propane, etc. The energy part comes from nuclear plants, eh?

--Boris

10 posted on 04/15/2002 10:58:19 AM PDT by boris
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since I was six. That was more then ten to fifteen years ago

We had that 20 year supply discussion in 5th grade in 1955. I believe it is no more than simply the design life for engineering projects. Everything is designed for 20 years because that is the point where present worth or cost-benefit analyses approximate an infinite period of time, forever.

As an aside, the estimate for time to production of the first nuclear fusion power plant is 40 years, and has been 40 years since the 50s. To my thinking, this means twice as long as forever, or, don't plan on it.

11 posted on 04/15/2002 11:06:27 AM PDT by RightWhale
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The energy density issue is real but your comment on tanks is outdated. From the use of metal hydrides to carbon nanotubes, tank technology for hydrogen storage is THE defining research, apart from GM's sideline into using Reformer's.

Obviously there are energy balance considerations to this discovery, but where there's a resource...

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abstracting the gas

Do you think he meant extracting the gas?

12 posted on 04/15/2002 11:07:20 AM PDT by Regulator
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First, the lefties cannot abide the successful continuation of capitalism, and cheap clean energy would be devastating for them.

Old left: Capitalism does not meet human needs. The government should control the means of production.

Response: Capitalism does so meet human needs. Socialism destroys the means of production.

New left: Who the hell are we humans to have our needs met? The government should destroy the means of production.
(OK they don't say it so baldly, but read between the lines.)

Response: Accept their premises and there is no response.

The old left accepted sane premises but had a bad idea about how to deal with the economy. The new left is insane.

13 posted on 04/15/2002 11:09:01 AM PDT by Salman
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To: texlok
Depends on the cost to extract. The ocean is full of gold as well. More info required before I even think about this.
14 posted on 04/15/2002 11:12:24 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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"...virtually limitless supplies of clean fuel for cars..."

Oh, goody, now the freeway will be filled with hundreds of low-flying Hindenbergs.

Well, at least it ought to eliminate road rage after accidents.

15 posted on 04/15/2002 11:15:12 AM PDT by BlueLancer
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To: boris
This might be of interest. You can comment on how wet they all are:

Hydrogen Fuel Cell Letter

16 posted on 04/15/2002 11:15:20 AM PDT by Regulator
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Although formidable engineering problems remain to be overcome in abstracting the gas,

"Abstracting" the gas???

"ABSTRACTING"???

Good Gawd, the journalists and editors reporting the news are absolute, gosh-danged, brain-damaged idiots.

17 posted on 04/15/2002 11:18:20 AM PDT by Willie Green
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A few points:

1. Remember the Hindenburg

2. I like plastic. I don't think you can get plastic from hydrogen.

18 posted on 04/15/2002 11:20:13 AM PDT by abner
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To: texlok
It's hard to believe someone in Texas would bother to read the Vancouver Sun. Here in Vancouver, it's about the only 'Sun' we get from October to April. ;^)

I'd still be putting my investment dollar into Alberta's Tarsands, however. That's a project which staggers the imagination also, but it's real and it's happening now.

19 posted on 04/15/2002 11:21:01 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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I just know that I don't want to be nowhere around when one of them rocks sparks while being crushed...
20 posted on 04/15/2002 11:21:27 AM PDT by go star go
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