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To: LarryLied
If you used your little brain for just one minute, you will realize that the IDF would hve to be stupid to lie about mass graves and such.

Any mass grave would be seen from a helicopter. It is impossible to lie about these things and not get cought.

Name a location of these alleged mass graves, OR a name of a journalist that was shot, and you have me on your side.

Until them, Stop these stupid anti-simetic posts.

14 posted on 04/14/2002 4:46:36 AM PDT by csap
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To: csap
Stop these stupid anti-simetic posts.

Yes boss. I will never question anything which comes out of Israel ever again. Israel always does the right thing and tells the truth. Sharon doesn't use too much force and he doesn't use too little (I happen to think he does use too little)

Free Republic is becoming bizarre. Bush, Powell, Cheney, Rice, Blair, the French, Germans, the Pope, some of our own military are all ruthlessly examined and often torn to shreds.But Israel? No skepticism allowed. To do so would be "antisemitic."

I want Israel to take out the terrorists and do it fast. I expect there will be civilian deaths. Many of them. That is war. But I am not going to leave common sense behind or be intimidated by Al Sharpton types who sling BOOGA! BOOGA! identity politics slurs such as "antisemite" at me if I doubt the latest story from the IDF.

16 posted on 04/14/2002 4:55:33 AM PDT by LarryLied
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To: csap
Bingo!!
51 posted on 04/14/2002 9:54:46 AM PDT by whadizit
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To: kcvl;csap
kcvl 8: "Do you have names of the journalists that were shot?"

csap 14 (also 22 & 25)(mistakenly, to LarryLied): "Name...a name of a journalist that was shot, and you have me on your side."

You guys don't get out much do you? Possibly you get all your news from the mostly pro-Israeli selection posted on FR.

"Freelance photographer Raffaele Ciriello, 42, who was shot several times in the chest, became the first foreign journalist killed in the conflict. He had worked in many world hotspots.

A colleague who was with him when he was killed said Ciriello was shot by Israeli soldiers who apparently mistook him for one of several Palestinian gunmen standing nearby."

Reuters, March 13, 2002

"An Italian photographer [Ciriello] was killed today by Israeli tank fire, witnesses said, and a French photographer and an Egyptian TV correspondent were shot at in separate incidents in the West Bank town of Ramallah.

...

In a third incident, a 35-year-old Egyptian TV correspondent, Tareq Abdel Jaber, said Israeli soldiers fired at least five shots at his car, clearly marked with big TV signs, when he and a cameraman were driving in Ramallah. Jaber said one bullet struck him in the right side, but was stopped by a flak jacket.

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On Tuesday, Ciriello was among about 40 journalists in a Ramallah hotel that came under Israeli tank fire. No one was injured and the army said it was returning fire from a gunman on the upper floors of the hotel. Journalists in the hotel at the time said there was no gunman.

Reporters without Borders say 40 journalists have been wounded by gunfire since September 2000."

Jerusalem Post, March 13, 2002

"Meanwhile, other [U.S.] officials said they found troubling the fact that soldiers had killed the photographer, Ciriello, and wounded a French journalist.

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Ann Cooper, executive-director of the New York-based Committee for the Protection of Journalists, said most of the documented cases where Israeli soldiers wound journalists are unintentional. But she said six cases were questionable, instances where evidence suggested the journalists might have been targeted deliberately."

Houston Chronicle, March 14, 2002

"In separate incidents in Ramallah on Wednesday, an Egyptian television journalist was lightly wounded and a French journalist shot in the leg. France's Foreign Ministry protested to Israel.

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'It is...utterly unacceptable and a tragedy that journalists were injured and killed by IDF (army) bullets in Ramallah earlier today,' U.N. Middle East envoy Terje Roed-Larsen told reporters, criticising the army's offensive in the city."

Reuters, March 13, 2002

"Trying to reach Palestinian Authority President Yasser Arafat's besieged West Bank headquarters, [TV Producer Charles] Enderlin and his TV France 2 crew were turned back at an Israeli checkpoint. Before leaving, they tried to film the soldiers but were ordered to stop.

'Show me a written order that I cannot film here,' the producer demanded. 'Instead of a paper, you're going to get a bullet in your camera,' snarled an Israeli reservist, raising his automatic rifle.

After more bickering, the producer turned his back and headed toward his car.

Then came the reservist's parting shot. A bullet sliced through the air between Enderlin and his cameraman at chest level.

As Israel wages its biggest military campaign in the West Bank in 35 years, journalists trying to cover it are running up against the ultimate roadblock--Israeli bullets fired at them, often without warning. Veteran correspondents and a media watchdog group say the restrictions are the tightest they have ever seen here and are meant to conceal what the Israelis are doing in reoccupied Palestinian cities.

At least 20 journalists have come under Israeli fire since the offensive began March 29, according to the Paris-based watchdog group Reporters Without Borders. In most cases, the fire apparently is meant as warning shots, but five journalists have been wounded, including one American, Anthony Shadid of the Boston Globe.

'It's a form of nonverbal communication, their way of saying, "Please leave the area at once," ' said Cameron Barr, a Christian Science Monitor reporter who has been shot at twice in recent days. 'They want to get a message across. Believe me, I left with alacrity. It was an extremely effective message.'

A convoy of correspondents got the message Friday when it approached Arafat's compound in Ramallah and came under attack from two Israeli army jeeps. Without warning, one of the jeeps rammed a clearly marked CNN vehicle, and soldiers threw several stun grenades. As the convoy retreated, soldiers fired plastic bullets, chipping the CNN car's reinforced glass windows.

Five journalists from Agence France-Presse and Spanish television got the message Sunday as they walked into the West Bank town of Yatta wearing flak jackets bearing the letters 'TV' in big white tape and waving a white flag. They retreated under Israeli gunfire.

And journalists who stayed in Ramallah after Israel declared it a closed military zone got the message all last week. Israeli snipers took potshots at their hotel, and passing tanks fired into the air.

'The Israeli army is knowingly targeting journalists in a deliberate policy of intimidation,' Robert Menard, general secretary of Reporters Without Borders, said Sunday. 'The Israelis want a news blackout so they can work in a vacuum and do as they like.' "

"Journalists Are Kept at Bay by Israeli Bullets", Richard Boudreaux, LA Times, March 8, 2002

54 posted on 04/14/2002 11:16:05 AM PDT by Tarakotchi
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