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IDF: Bodies of dead Palestinians booby-trapped
The Jerusalem Post ^ | April, 14 2002 | The Jerusalem Post

Posted on 04/14/2002 3:45:08 AM PDT by Gorons

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To: Unbelievably Patriotic
They have shown themselves on NUMEROUS occaisions to be nothing more than savage, sub-human barbarians, and yet people STILL support them.

I wonder where did they get this idea? See the info on booby-trapped British sergeants or booby-trapped car in a market in Jerusalem . There were many more acts like those.

Yitzhak Shamir, Menahem Begin and other did not give the good example.

41 posted on 04/14/2002 7:20:24 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: LarryLied
LL, Israels battle may not be our battle but it is another front of our war,
a war that was brought TO us, just as it is brought TO Israel.
42 posted on 04/14/2002 7:23:46 AM PDT by tet68
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To: tet68
Yeah...you are right. I was hoping we could get our business rolling along more before we got involved with this one. It is making it more difficult for us in countries we need as bases such as Bahrain and Qatar. No doubt Al Qaeda, Iran, Iraq and others wanted us dragged in. But Israel didn't hold back running to us either. Nothing works out as planned I guess. What I don't like is Israel's attitude. They are already laying blame on us here and there. Wanted to throw a brick at the TV when Sharon's advisor, Dore Gold, excused civilian deaths by saying America kills civilians too.
43 posted on 04/14/2002 7:37:13 AM PDT by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
Israel is determined to make her war our war and with that comes playing it straight. I think we should just back off and allow Israel free action.

I don't know if they want us involved ---I think I agree with the second sentence that we should back off and allow Israel free action ---we should have done that years ago.

44 posted on 04/14/2002 7:53:33 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: Tarakotchi
Yeah, right. They were just protecting the journalists (the ones they didn't shoot). Like they would be disturbing the bodies and triggering the booby traps. This also becomes a convenient excuse for their war-crime of not allowing the Red Cross in to treat the wounded. 2 posted on 4/14/02 4:02 AM Pacific by Tarakotchi

THE FAMILIES OF THE TERRORISTS DID NOT WANT TO TOUCH THE BODIES FOR BURIAL EITHER, MAYBE THEY KNEW SOMETHING YOU DIDN'T KNOW, TARAKOTCHI....

45 posted on 04/14/2002 7:55:49 AM PDT by GHCubana
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To: A. Pole
Problem with your links is that they lie about Deir Yassien.  And the Jewish terrorists of the 1940's attacked British military.... not civilians. King David Hotel was given a warning and those who died were British military and a few cilivans who happened to be there I suppose. By contrast the Pallie terrorists prime target in Israeli civilians. They consider of all of Israelis legitimate targets. Including women and children.......


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46 posted on 04/14/2002 8:22:40 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Tarakotchi
Article: IDF sources said many of the bodies of Palestinians killed in fighting over the last two weeks were booby-trapped and that was one of the reasons journalists and Red Cross teams were not allowed into the camp until this morning.

Tarakotchi: "IDF sources said many of the bodies of Palestinians killed in fighting over the last two weeks were booby-trapped and that was one of the reasons journalists and Red Cross teams were not allowed into the camp until this morning."

Yeah, right. They were just protecting the journalists (the ones they didn't shoot). Like they would be disturbing the bodies and triggering the booby traps.

This also becomes a convenient excuse for their war-crime of not allowing the Red Cross in to treat the wounded.

The Red Cross is a terrorist organization; the Israelis would be fools to let terrorists use the Red Cross/Red Crescent as cover for more attacks. (But of course, you know that, better than I do!) On the other hand, if the bodies really were booby-trapped, it would be poetic justice for Red Crescent "medics" to handle them.

How do you keep a straight face, while pulling off the scam of charging Jews with "war crimes," but no Arabs?

47 posted on 04/14/2002 8:40:30 AM PDT by mrustow
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To: Gorons
See also:

A Jewish Nazi? The Adam Shapiro Story

48 posted on 04/14/2002 8:41:43 AM PDT by mrustow
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To: Tarakotchi
BTW, the official name is "The Red Cross and Red Crescent".
49 posted on 04/14/2002 9:32:55 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: LarryLied
You're not getting older; you're getting bitter!
50 posted on 04/14/2002 9:34:27 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: csap
Bingo!!
51 posted on 04/14/2002 9:54:46 AM PDT by whadizit
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To: Tarakotchi
Yeah, right.

Yeah, right. Seventeen year old girls strapped with explosives blowing themselves up: yes. Booby-trapped bodies: impossible.

52 posted on 04/14/2002 9:59:14 AM PDT by Sabramerican
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To: Gorons
""We suggested that the families [of the dead] bury the bodies, with the assistance of the Red Cross, but they refused," he said. "

Well, if the bodies were booby-trapped, I would refuse to bury my loved one, too.

53 posted on 04/14/2002 10:42:56 AM PDT by dixiechick2000
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To: kcvl;csap
kcvl 8: "Do you have names of the journalists that were shot?"

csap 14 (also 22 & 25)(mistakenly, to LarryLied): "Name...a name of a journalist that was shot, and you have me on your side."

You guys don't get out much do you? Possibly you get all your news from the mostly pro-Israeli selection posted on FR.

"Freelance photographer Raffaele Ciriello, 42, who was shot several times in the chest, became the first foreign journalist killed in the conflict. He had worked in many world hotspots.

A colleague who was with him when he was killed said Ciriello was shot by Israeli soldiers who apparently mistook him for one of several Palestinian gunmen standing nearby."

Reuters, March 13, 2002

"An Italian photographer [Ciriello] was killed today by Israeli tank fire, witnesses said, and a French photographer and an Egyptian TV correspondent were shot at in separate incidents in the West Bank town of Ramallah.

...

In a third incident, a 35-year-old Egyptian TV correspondent, Tareq Abdel Jaber, said Israeli soldiers fired at least five shots at his car, clearly marked with big TV signs, when he and a cameraman were driving in Ramallah. Jaber said one bullet struck him in the right side, but was stopped by a flak jacket.

...

On Tuesday, Ciriello was among about 40 journalists in a Ramallah hotel that came under Israeli tank fire. No one was injured and the army said it was returning fire from a gunman on the upper floors of the hotel. Journalists in the hotel at the time said there was no gunman.

Reporters without Borders say 40 journalists have been wounded by gunfire since September 2000."

Jerusalem Post, March 13, 2002

"Meanwhile, other [U.S.] officials said they found troubling the fact that soldiers had killed the photographer, Ciriello, and wounded a French journalist.

...

Ann Cooper, executive-director of the New York-based Committee for the Protection of Journalists, said most of the documented cases where Israeli soldiers wound journalists are unintentional. But she said six cases were questionable, instances where evidence suggested the journalists might have been targeted deliberately."

Houston Chronicle, March 14, 2002

"In separate incidents in Ramallah on Wednesday, an Egyptian television journalist was lightly wounded and a French journalist shot in the leg. France's Foreign Ministry protested to Israel.

...

'It is...utterly unacceptable and a tragedy that journalists were injured and killed by IDF (army) bullets in Ramallah earlier today,' U.N. Middle East envoy Terje Roed-Larsen told reporters, criticising the army's offensive in the city."

Reuters, March 13, 2002

"Trying to reach Palestinian Authority President Yasser Arafat's besieged West Bank headquarters, [TV Producer Charles] Enderlin and his TV France 2 crew were turned back at an Israeli checkpoint. Before leaving, they tried to film the soldiers but were ordered to stop.

'Show me a written order that I cannot film here,' the producer demanded. 'Instead of a paper, you're going to get a bullet in your camera,' snarled an Israeli reservist, raising his automatic rifle.

After more bickering, the producer turned his back and headed toward his car.

Then came the reservist's parting shot. A bullet sliced through the air between Enderlin and his cameraman at chest level.

As Israel wages its biggest military campaign in the West Bank in 35 years, journalists trying to cover it are running up against the ultimate roadblock--Israeli bullets fired at them, often without warning. Veteran correspondents and a media watchdog group say the restrictions are the tightest they have ever seen here and are meant to conceal what the Israelis are doing in reoccupied Palestinian cities.

At least 20 journalists have come under Israeli fire since the offensive began March 29, according to the Paris-based watchdog group Reporters Without Borders. In most cases, the fire apparently is meant as warning shots, but five journalists have been wounded, including one American, Anthony Shadid of the Boston Globe.

'It's a form of nonverbal communication, their way of saying, "Please leave the area at once," ' said Cameron Barr, a Christian Science Monitor reporter who has been shot at twice in recent days. 'They want to get a message across. Believe me, I left with alacrity. It was an extremely effective message.'

A convoy of correspondents got the message Friday when it approached Arafat's compound in Ramallah and came under attack from two Israeli army jeeps. Without warning, one of the jeeps rammed a clearly marked CNN vehicle, and soldiers threw several stun grenades. As the convoy retreated, soldiers fired plastic bullets, chipping the CNN car's reinforced glass windows.

Five journalists from Agence France-Presse and Spanish television got the message Sunday as they walked into the West Bank town of Yatta wearing flak jackets bearing the letters 'TV' in big white tape and waving a white flag. They retreated under Israeli gunfire.

And journalists who stayed in Ramallah after Israel declared it a closed military zone got the message all last week. Israeli snipers took potshots at their hotel, and passing tanks fired into the air.

'The Israeli army is knowingly targeting journalists in a deliberate policy of intimidation,' Robert Menard, general secretary of Reporters Without Borders, said Sunday. 'The Israelis want a news blackout so they can work in a vacuum and do as they like.' "

"Journalists Are Kept at Bay by Israeli Bullets", Richard Boudreaux, LA Times, March 8, 2002

54 posted on 04/14/2002 11:16:05 AM PDT by Tarakotchi
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To: dennisw
I agree with you about the anti-Israel falsification of Israel, but the whole argument is remarkable, even if what they charge were true: "Israelis committed crimes in the 1940's so they don't have a right to fight terrorists now." Not too far removed from the old line that "the Jews" killed Christ and so still deserve to be killed a thousand, two thousand, years later.
55 posted on 04/14/2002 11:25:07 AM PDT by Southern Federalist
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To: Southern Federalist; dennisw
Make that "the anti-Israel falsification of history"
56 posted on 04/14/2002 11:25:58 AM PDT by Southern Federalist
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To: Tarakotchi
You have CNN on? There is a "Palestinian" being interviewed. Making excuses.

Know where he is? Jerusalem.

Israeli controlled Jerusalem.

Every Arab liar from that area comes on the air through the facilities of the Jews who "attempt to hide the news".

What other nation gives their enemies such access?

57 posted on 04/14/2002 11:30:55 AM PDT by Sabramerican
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To: Gorons
Bodies of dead Palestinians booby-trapped

Is this a shocker for a bunch of folks who will let their children into the
streets with toy guns that surely look like the real deal at over 10 yards
during a cease-fire called by the Israelis?

I saw this in a photo that our "Diogenesis" posted a few days ago.

That just about evaporated the last shred of sympathy I had for individual Palestinians
who are "caught up in events".

I'm just thankful that I'm not an IDF foot soldier. Has to be more stress than being
a cop in South Central Los Angeles.
58 posted on 04/14/2002 11:31:34 AM PDT by VOA
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To: kcvl;csap
Found some more...

"[U.S. reporter Anthony] Shadid said he believed the shot, which struck him in the shoulder, was fired by an Israeli soldier because the area where the incident occurred, near Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's compound in Ramallah, was under 'total Israeli military control and had been for days. It is difficult to imagine that a Palestinian gunman could have made it in the area for that long.'"

Boston Globe, April 2, 2002

"Shadid was shot in the shoulder despite wearing a flak jacket that clearly marked him out as a member of the press, according to reports.

...

In an earlier incident a Palestinian cameraman working for an Egyptian based TV company, Carlos Handal, was shot in the mouth and wounded.

...

Meanwhile, journalists from a number of organisations - including the Guardian - have protested about the lack of freedom of movement for journalists.

The BBC yesterday protested to Israel after its correspondent Orla Guerin was pinned down by Israeli gunfire."

Guardian, April 3, 2002

59 posted on 04/14/2002 11:50:24 AM PDT by Tarakotchi
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To: Tarakotchi
""IDF sources said many of the bodies of Palestinians killed in fighting over the last two weeks were booby-trapped and that was one of the reasons journalists and Red Cross teams were not allowed into the camp until this morning."

Why don't they just send a few Palestinian prisoners in to collect the bodies?

What?? Nobody wants to GO?? What a pity.

60 posted on 04/14/2002 11:55:08 AM PDT by redhead
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