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IBM, Microsoft plot Net takeover
ZDNet ^ | April 11, 2002 | David Berlind

Posted on 04/12/2002 4:02:59 PM PDT by rdb3

IBM and Microsoft have been quietly busy behind the scenes for the last two years building a toll booth that could position the two companies to collect royalties on most if not all Internet traffic.

While the technologies that form the foundation of that toll booth have yet to be officially recognized as standards by an independent standards body, the collective strength of IBM and Microsoft could be enough to render Internet standards consortia powerless to stop them.

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The potential for the two giants to erect a toll booth is tied to the likelihood that Web services protocols such as SOAP, WSDL, and UDDI--and the related ones to which the two companies hold patents or other intellectual property rights--will one day be as important as the standard protocols (such as TCP/IP and HTTP) on which the Internet is based today. Web services and the protocols that make them possible are destined to play a major role in most if not all electronic commerce as well as other Internet traffic.

If the protocols do become standards, either by virtue of an independent standards organization's imprimatur or by attaining a de facto status, IBM and Microsoft--or any other company that maintains the intellectual property rights to them--could legally impose royalties on that traffic. In fact, any protocols that become a part of the core Internet infrastructure without having been made available on a royalty-free basis could guarantee the owners of the intellectual property the right to place a tax on the Internet traffic that depends on those protocols.

No standard policy
For the most part, standards-setting for the Internet and Web has taken place within the working groups of two organizations: the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) and the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C). Until recently, neither organization had maintained a policy requiring vendors to make the intellectual property (IP) they contribute to the standards setting process available on a royalty-free basis. According to W3C Patent Policy Working Group Chairman Danny Weitzner, "Despite the lack of a policy, there has always been an understanding amongst the various contributors that the Internet and the Web wouldn't be possible or scalable unless their contributions were available to everyone on a royalty-free basis."

But that gentleman's agreement has been tested several times over the years and it could end up being tested again by Microsoft and IBM. According to documents on the W3C's Web site, IBM and Microsoft not only own intellectual property within specific Web services protocols, but also have no intentions of relinquishing their IP rights to those protocols should they become standards. The documents indicate that the two companies are currently maintaining their rights to pursue a reasonable and non-discriminatory (RAND) licensing framework as opposed to a royalty-free-based framework. The RAND framework is widely acknowledged as the one that keeps a vendor's options open in terms of being able to charge content developers and Internet users a royalty for usage of relevant intellectual property.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Miscellaneous; Technical
KEYWORDS: ibm; internet; microsoft; technology
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I have a question. Whether it's MS or Big Blue, or maybe both, how can this be a good thing?
1 posted on 04/12/2002 4:02:59 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: rdb3
Someone please explain to me how they can get in between my computer and the server I'm using for access to other private servers?
2 posted on 04/12/2002 4:22:28 PM PDT by A Navy Vet
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To: A Navy Vet
Ultimately, that won't matter. These protocols are where the money is hidden.
3 posted on 04/12/2002 4:26:32 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: A Navy Vet
I'm sorry. I didn't finish. The money is hidden here if MS and IBM so chose to actually charge for them. Let's just hope they don't.
4 posted on 04/12/2002 4:28:36 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: rdb3
You forgot to put this in the Humor forum.
5 posted on 04/12/2002 4:29:26 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: A Navy Vet
They can't, so don't worry about it. This is just more anti-Microsoft propaganda.
6 posted on 04/12/2002 4:30:10 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: rdb3
It's not a good thing, but I'm not too worried. I seriously doubt anybody will adopt a "standard" that forces them to pay a license fee every time they send or receive data. Look at the huge opposition to the MPEG-4 group's plans to charge per-hour for streaming video.
7 posted on 04/12/2002 4:32:15 PM PDT by ThinkDifferent
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They can't, so don't worry about it. This is just more anti-Microsoft propaganda.

You talk about hubris! This is MS AND IBM. Yet you only say "anti-Microsoft propaganda." This is the reason why the word "shill" is thrown around. You offered no explanation to back up your claim, then totally ignored the other company mentioned.

Wow.

I'm not overly concerned with it, but this did come from a tech site. Therefore, it didn't warrant a posting in the "humor forum."

8 posted on 04/12/2002 4:42:04 PM PDT by rdb3
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"These protocols are where the money is hidden."

Why would the entire Internet change protocols that have worked so well and have to pay money to do it? Besides, if you think MS had anti-trust problems with their browser bundling practices, just think of the lawsuits that would tie them up for years concerning this.

9 posted on 04/12/2002 4:42:30 PM PDT by A Navy Vet
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"You offered no explanation to back up your claim,"

Sorry, but the article is supposed to backup its own ridiculous claims. Do you really believe anything that is anti-MS?

10 posted on 04/12/2002 4:51:05 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: rdb3
.....and another legend is born. Sheeesh, if IBM and MS or anybody elso tried charging a per-use fee for a "standard" protocol, they would only be gaurunteeing that the standard would quickly change. The only real reason http etc. is a standard is that everybody aggrees to use it. Make http inconvenient or expensive, and I'll use some other protocol. There are several others to do the same thing, after all. It would be inconvenient only for a short time.
11 posted on 04/12/2002 4:53:22 PM PDT by jimtorr
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To: rdb3
Well, I'd be worried, if I actually saw much use for these protocols. So far, the whole web services thing seems to me to be mostly hype.
12 posted on 04/12/2002 5:03:20 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: rdb3
It's very unlikely. Most of us internet users have proven ourselves extremely resistant to paying for our habit. From time to time people figure out ways to make money off the net, but when their customers find they can get the equivalent for free, that bursts their profit bubble. The major exception to the rule is AOL. But AOL users are not widely famed for technical prowess or intellectual acumen.
13 posted on 04/12/2002 6:21:35 PM PDT by Cicero
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It's very unlikely. Most of us internet users have proven ourselves extremely resistant to paying for our habit.

This is true. But it does cause concern if they're thinking about it.

14 posted on 04/12/2002 6:38:02 PM PDT by rdb3
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Do you really believe anything that is anti-MS?

That doesn't sound right. If you substitute the word "everything" for your "anything," then that would make sense. And if this was what you were getting at, the answer is no. I recognize MS hit pieces simply for the sake of bashing MS. But this article didn't do that.

You claimed that it was "propaganda." You have anything that can be documented that says otherwise? Or do you believe everything is good about MS?

Quickly! Make up your mind.

15 posted on 04/12/2002 6:42:11 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: rdb3
Innocent unless proven guilty, not guilty because they are Microsoft. The article gave no facts that substantiate MS taking over the Internet. Next, I guess we'll hear, "Microsoft Patents Air! World to Suffocate!"
16 posted on 04/12/2002 6:46:23 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: Cicero
The major exception to the rule is AOL. But AOL users are not widely famed for technical prowess or intellectual acumen.

Well they all probably do shop carefully and alternatives are appearing . On the Kudlow & Cramer CNBC show last night they were discussing how long before AOL follows the rest of the companies into Internet.com heaven.

Didn't catch all of it but I think in the NY area someone is offering a very similiar service for 14.95 monthly and is having explosive growth!

17 posted on 04/12/2002 7:23:05 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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.. it does cause concern if they're thinking about it.

Two words: license fees. Goes down better with the consumers than "royalties".

18 posted on 04/12/2002 7:39:50 PM PDT by TechJunkYard
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To: B Knotts
So far, the whole web services thing seems to me to be mostly hype.

Bingo!
Mostly sound and fury so far.
If IBM and MS can come up with something that makes me want to part with my money....
more power to them.

19 posted on 04/12/2002 7:45:25 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: rdb3
OK, well................I'll call total B.S. on this Chicken Little story (NOT flaming you, the poster, rdb3; it's an interesting post).

I have just a little, tiny bit of knowledge of such things and I'll tell you that this article is nothing more than a writer needing a piece to submit by a certain deadline (I'm giving the writer the benefit of a doubt) rather than a true "heads up".

Not to worry.

20 posted on 04/12/2002 7:47:50 PM PDT by RightOnline
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