[hsmomx3]

Sorry if already posted.

[coloradan]

They were concerned that homeschooled students were not provided a comprehensive education experience because they did not have an opportunity to interact with students of different cultures, economic status, or learning styles.

Top priorites for government schools:

Reading, writing, and arithmetic.

Interacting with students of different cultures, economic status, and learning styles.

[Cowgirl]

Dear Mr. Chase, As a homeschool parent let me express my concerns that teachers throughout this country are doing such a poor job of teaching in our schools. Not only that, but there seems to be a distrust of "parents and friends". Is this what you want our children to learn? You also state that NEA is concerned about all the children. This is not your job. You are only to concern yourself with the children placed in your institutions. You do not own our children.

[headsonpikes]

"They were concerned...They felt..."

They did everything but think.

These b*stards are political criminals; I hope they someday 'feel' the full force of an avenging American spirit.

[aardvark1]

were concerned that home schools were not required to use state-approved curricula</>

That's one of the main reasons we homeschool.

[patriot_wes]

We know that parental involvement is imperative for school achievement, but delegates were concerned that home schools were not required to use "state-approved curicula."

Adolph Hitler said….”Let me control the textbooks and I will control the state. The state will take youth and give to
youth it’s own education and it’s own upbringing. Your child belongs to us already….what are you?”

Meaning....it ain't only about $$$$$

[Registered]

...different cultures, economic status, or learning styles.

I guess my subscription to National Geographic doesn't count...

[who knows what evil?]

The Association is very concerned about the education and well-being of all children, and works to ensure that they are taught in an environment conducive to effective learning.

That line blew the battery right out of my BS detector! Even my cats are ROTFLTAO!

[Registered]

Theey felt homeschooled students learned in a setting primarily made up [of] family members and friends.

Yep, so many have suffered from learning in that terrible setting of family members and friends...:

Abraham Lincoln, Alexander Graham Bell, Thomas Edison, Leonardo daVinci, Benjamin Franklin, Winston Churchill, Hans Christian Anderson, Agatha Christie, Charles Dickens, Mark Twain, The Hansons, Noel Coward, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt, Albert Schweitzer, George Washington, Woodrow Wilson, George Washington Carver, Charlie Chaplin, Frank Vandiver(President Texas A&M University), The Wright Brothers, Stonewall Jackson, Douglas Mac Arthur, Robert E. Lee, John Quincy Adams, Patrick Henry, William Penn, George Bernard Shaw, C.S. Lewis, Pearl Buck...

[Khepera]

We do not want our children to learn to be socialists. We don’t want our children to tolerate perversion of any sort. We don’t want our children to be psychologically scrutinized and labeled. We do not want our children taught socialist lies about their heritage. We don’t want our children to accept ideas of other cultures we do not agree with. We do not want our children exposed to the abuse of other students who have been given free reign to terrorize their classmates. We don’t want to substitute techniques for how to take a test in place of learning the material that is in the test.

The NEA and public school teachers and officials are not qualified nor do they have the authority to recommend or otherwise dictate our curriculum They cannot even teach effectively in their own schools.

[ibbryn]

students were not provided a comprehensive education experience because they did not have an opportunity to interact with students of different cultures, economic status, or learning styles.

Why is it important that students interact with other students who have different "learning styles"? I'm assuming Chase means that since some students learn better through verbal input, others through visual, the students should interact with students who have found a different leaning style works best for them. Why? How does that help the student to learn their subject matter?

And is it really important that we have classrooms filled with students from diverse cultures? Armenian, Thai and Mexican kids could all have very different ways in with they interact with teachers, authority figures and other students. Isn't a class of students who have the same basic way of interacting with a teacher and each other going to be more focused on their studies than a group who is constantly trying to figure out if showing the sole of your shoe is going to create a blood fued that lasts for the next several generations?

I'm not saying that different cultures should not mix, I'm just wondering if the mixing of and understanding of other cultures should be the number one goal of my kid's math teacher.

[B Knotts]

Public education is child abuse.

[TxBec]

They felt homeschooled students learned in a setting primarily made up [of] family members and friends.
.. so actually learning and being surrounding by family and friends is bad because...?

[paul51]

The Association is very concerned about the education and well-being of all children, and works to ensure that they are taught in an environment conducive to effective learning

ROTFLMAO

[toenail]

Look at what moronic monsters we have as "teachers":

http://teachers.net/chatboard/

[SLB]

From a homeschool dad of going on 13 or so years. Thanks for posting this. Every time I hear something from an offical of the NEA it jsut reinforces my determination to continue home schooling the last two left at home and watch the three that are out sprout their wings and soar.

PS: You needed to add a gag alert to this. (GRIN)

[StormEye]

"We know that parental involvement is imperative for school achievement, but delegates were concerned that home schools were not required to use state-approved curricula."

"State-approved curricula?" In other words, pro homo propaganda, multiculturalist, Christian bashing, anti-American, feminist, DemonRAT-socialist junk!
And no one with knowledge of the NEA believes that the NEA really wants parental involvement. What the NEA desires is parents paying higher and higher taxes to keep the "public school" monstrosity afloat.

[EdReform]

Bump

Let's Help Nail the Teachers Unions -- It is National FReep Time (replies 14, 18 and 23)

[LarryLied]

At least he writes back. Even if it is canned NEA Dogma food.

[EdReform]

"During the 1998 RA, delegates approved the policy on homeschooling. They were concerned that homeschooled students were not provided a comprehensive education experience because they did not have an opportunity to interact with students of different cultures, economic status, or learning styles."

The myth of socialization: Kyle Williams debunks lies about home-schooling

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To: JohnHuang2

In 1994, the US Department of Education conducted a review of the available studies concerned with the socialization of homeschooled children. For the purposes of their review, they defined 'socialization' in the context of interpersonal and communications skills. While they admit that further research is needed (realize this report is from 1994), their conclusions shatter the myth. Remember, this is from the US DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION!

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Another socialization-related accusation faced by home educators is that of overprotecting their children from the real world. If this is true, however, at least one researcher (Bliss, 1989) does not consider this to be a serious problem. She argues that "Protection during early, developmental years for purposes of nurturing and growth is evident in many arenas: plant, animal, and aquatic. Why should it be considered wrong or bad in the most vital arena, human development?"

Stough (1992),looking particularly at socialization, compared 30 home-schooling families and 32 conventionally schooling families, families with children 7-14 years of age. According to the findings, children who were schooled at home "gained the necessary skills, knowledge, and attitudes needed to function in society...at a rate similar to that of conventionally schooled children." The researcher found no difference in the self concept of children in the two groups. Stough maintains that "insofar as self concept is a reflector of socialization, it would appear that few home-schooled children are socially deprived, and that there may be sufficient evidence to indicate that some home-schooled children have a higher self concept than conventionally schooled children."

This echoes the findings of Taylor (1987). Using one of the best validated self-concept scales available, Taylor's random sampling of home-schooled children (45,000) found that half of these children scored at or above the 91st percentile--47% higher than the average, conventionally schooled child. He concludes: "Since self concept is considered to be a basic dynamic of positive sociability, this answers the often heard skepticism suggesting that home schoolers are inferior in socialization" (Taylor, 1987).

From the findings of these two studies, it would appear that the concerns expressed by teachers, administrators, and legislators about socialization and home schooling might be unfounded. Indeed, Bliss (1989) contends that it is in the formal educational system's setting that children first experience negative socialization, conformity, and peer pressure. According to her, "This is a setting of large groups, segmented by age, with a variation of authority figures...the individual, with his/her developmental needs, becomes overpowered by the expectations and demand of others--equal in age and equally developmentally needy."

Webb (1989), one of the few researchers who has examined aspects of the adult lives of wholly or partly home-educated people, found that all who had attempted higher education were successful and that their socialization was often better than that of their schooled peers.
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The bottom line is this: Problems with 'socialization' was a myth create and spread by groups like the NEA who have an economic and political incentive to discredit homeschooling. Since 1994, the Department of Education has had pursuasive evidence that homeschooled children are equally or better socialized than their public school peers - yet, the myth continues.

88 posted on 4/29/02 11:13 AM Pacific by Pete

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Well, Bob Chase -- care to comment?

[FreeTally]

I predict that within five years(maybe ten), homeschooling will be effectively criminalized. Oh, it may still be legal in some instances, but they will make it so that the "State" has all control over what is learned. I assume they will HRS to bankrupt any parents who insist on homeschooling.