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To: Deb
Because of the Bible? Could you cite for me chapter and verse the Bible's condemnation of slavery?

As you will be unable to do so (for none exists), let me cite a few examples of the Bible's toleration, even promotion, of slavery.

How did Jesus say a slave should treat his master?
A slave must completely obey and fear his master, even if his master is cruel and unjust: "Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward" (1 Peter 2:18). "Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ" (Ephesians 6:5).

What is God's policy on physical punishment of your slave?
"A servant will not be corrected by words: for though he understand he will not answer"(Proverbs 29:19). "And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye’s sake. And if he smite out his manservant’s tooth, or his maidservant’s tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth’s sake" (Exodus 21:26-27).

Whom did God tell the Israelites they should turn into their slaves?
The people of other tribes living around them: "Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids" (Leviticus 25:44).

What does God say is to happen to a male slave after six years of service?
"If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master’s, and he shall go out by himself. And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free: Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever" (Exodus 21:2-6).

What does God say should happen to a master who beats his slave to death?
He should avoid all punishment if the slave survives for a couple days after the beating: "And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money" (Exodus 21:20-21).

Does God allow you to sell your daughter into slavery?
Yes. And the situation is not unbearable for her since, if her master takes her as his wife and she does not please him, he must set her free: "And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do. If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation, he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her. And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters. If he take him another wife: her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish" (Exodus 21:7-10).

What punishments does God mandate when an ox gores a free man and when an ox gores a slave?
"If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned, and his flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the ox shall be quit. But if the ox were wont to push with his horn in time past, and it hath been testified to his owner, and he hath not kept him in, but that he hath killed a man or a woman; the ox shall be stoned, and his owner also shall be put to death....If the ox shall push a manservant or a maidservant; he shall give unto their master thirty shekels of silver, and the ox shall be stoned" (Exodus 21:28-32).

What was the plight of those not born Israelites?
They were to be taken by the Israelites as slaves, and their children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, etc. were destined to be slaves: "Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever" (Leviticus 25:44-46).

What conduct by slaves does Jesus dislike?
Insincerity and rudeness: "Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God" (Colossians 3:22; see also Ephesians 6:5-6). "Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to please them well in all things; not answering again; Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Savior in all things" (Titus 2:9-10).

What effect does God say warfare has on slavery?
Whereas the men in any community invaded must be killed, the women and children are to be taken as slaves: "And when the Lord thy God hath delivered [a city] into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the Lord thy God hath given thee" (Deuteronomy 20:13-14).


30 posted on 04/07/2002 9:39:11 PM PDT by The_Expatriate
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To: The_Expatriate
Is your post a joke or is your bias so great you can't understand English?

Try reading what I wrote again without your determined and hardcore prejudice. Maybe you're just not capable of seeing the difference between the way the Bible says God sees and values his creation and the way man sees and values his brothers.

Once again...the Christian nations were the first to denounce and abolish slavery. The Sudan (a muslim country) is still practicing it...against Christians.

Please note that for centuries slavery existed for many and various reasons. People sold themselves into slavery. Parents sold their children. People and families fell into slavery because of debt. Countries were conquered...and on and on. After the famine in Ireland, hundreds of thousands sold themselves into indentured slavery in order to come to America. God's concern has always been for the soul of man, not the flesh. How man has structured his culture and civilization has been up to him. God has cared how we functioned within that civilization, which is why Jesus was constantly talking about poor men going to heaven and rich men mistakenly building their heaven on earth. An honorable "slave" would have been more precious to God than a dishonorable King.

Your Bible verses are ridiculous and our thinking is trite.

32 posted on 04/07/2002 10:38:28 PM PDT by Deb
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To: The_Expatriate
The Devil qoutes scripture.

Live as Servants of God.
Peter 2.11
11 Beloved, I urge you as aliens and exiles to abstain from the desires of the flesh that wage war against the soul.
12 Conduct yourselves honorably among the Gentiles, so that, though they malign you as evildoers, they may see your
honorable deeds and glorify God when he comes to judge. 13 For the Lord’s sake accept the authority of every human
institution ordained for human beings, whether of the emperor as supreme, 14 or of governors, as sent by him to
punish those who do wrong and to praise those who do right. 15 For it is God’s will that by doing right you should
silence the ignorance of the foolish. 16 As servants of God, live as free people, yet do not use your freedom as a
pretext for evil. 17 Honor everyone. Love the family of believers. Fear God. Honor the emperor.
34 posted on 04/07/2002 10:44:40 PM PDT by DaveTesla
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To: The_Expatriate
The least you could do is link the source of your excerpts. You from the DU?

Here is the source, FYI you other FReepers:

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36 posted on 04/07/2002 10:53:46 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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