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Live Thread: President Bush and Prime Minister Blair Press Conference, Noon EST, 4/6/02
self | Saturday, April 6, 2002 | Kristinn

Posted on 04/06/2002 7:49:04 AM PST by kristinn

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To: Buckeroo
Howdy Buckaroo

I stand with you Sir, for two thousand years the entire planet languished without a beacon of hope, no liberty, only tyrany, slavery, subjugation of the weak, early death.

The ancient Greeks tried freedom, and the experimant was a success.

Now comes America, alone among nations, we recognize that the only just formulation of government is founded on the soverign power residing in the will of The People.

Now we agree on the brilliance of the American Experiment, and I think that you understand that the rest of the world is still shrouded under varying degrees of the darkness of tyrrany.

You can lead a horse to water...

Europe is particularly perplexing, so accustomed to tyrrany are they that they insist on going to their knees before authority, to them citizens are as children before their benevolent leaders, and so they subscribe to a socialist form of government today, even as they celebrated their enslavement by royalty a generation ago. If we follow the EU, their fascination with all powerful central authority will lead the world into yet another global conflict.

But at least, though a pale reflection of this Free Republic, the europeans accord their citizens a great measure of freedom compared with the rest of the planet, which resides under the frowning horror of totalitarian dictatorial control.

Poverty is the inevitable result of the absence of freedom. To prevent themselves from being ejected from power, dictators explain their citizens poverty as arising from the exploitation of shadowy evil figures from far away, focusing the discontent of their squalid victims away from their thrones. Even as these bloated parasites live in opulent luxury, they strive to create abject misery in their populations, and propagandize to use their smoldering anger as the tool to keep them in bondage.

People who can read are carefully controlled in these nations, and people with advanced educations are viewed as potentially dangerous enemies of the state if they are not part of the ruling group. Which incidentally, is why each communist takeover is follwed by a bloodbath of epic proportions, when the friends of tyrrany here in the USA got us out of Vietnam, over a hundred millions died in bloody purges in Vietnam and Cambodia.

So, anyhow, a vast ocean of humanity hates you and wants you dead for imagined offenses that they have been led to believe have caused their poverty, while their leaders laugh at them and live in opulent luxury. They "ride the tiger" so to speak.

This is the world we live in. It is vital to our existence that we be able to trade with other countries, we are a maritime nation dependent upon free trade and open sea lanes for our continued existence, thus we can not live in a vacuum.

We have to be able to move about and trade in a world inhabited by billions of deluded slaves who would have us dead, and among countries which have no respect for the principles of our Constitution.

Sometimes we have to fight.

If you read the Constitution ( I keep a little booklet with me for odd moments of reflection) you see that the founding fathers understood all of this, when it is necessary to put down a murderous fanatic band, our government has the authority and the duty to send American sons to secure our liberty from those who would do to us what they do to most of this beleagured planet.

Well, I hope you find some logic in this, I am weary of pecking away at this keyboard.

241 posted on 04/06/2002 2:54:04 PM PST by MoscowMike
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To: Darlin'
I hear ya. I am called a drunk, an A$$hole; a lover of homosexuals upon FR. Yet all I try to do is talk about America.

I love my nation. I despise my government.

242 posted on 04/06/2002 2:56:53 PM PST by Buckeroo
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To: baseballmom;Rintense;OhioWfan;Darlin';Wphile;Miss Marple;Moscow Mike
Reading your considered, understandable posts on this thread has been a confirmation of my beliefs. Your use of words express what I wish I could. You have not stooped to emotional insults. You quote facts. Sure I'm a Bush babe on THAT thread; because I appreciate the way in which decisions are being made to protect our republic. On 9-11, it would have been totally ineffective to stand on a New York street corner screaming that my rights under the Constitution were being violated. Thanks, y'all.
243 posted on 04/06/2002 3:00:01 PM PST by okimhere
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To: ohioWfan
I see you are back at it. LOL! Nice post, BTW.
244 posted on 04/06/2002 3:02:01 PM PST by Wphile
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To: Buckeroo
"support fighting these far-off wars that are not declared"

TO SAVE YOUR SORRY A$$!!

245 posted on 04/06/2002 3:02:07 PM PST by CyberAnt
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To: Mulder
"My loyalty lies with no man or no political party"

And ... that is your problem!

246 posted on 04/06/2002 3:03:36 PM PST by CyberAnt
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To: Mulder
"38% of the vote"

Yes, because 17% of the vote went to a 3rd party. Without the 3rd party, it would have been 55% - and no Clinton for 8 years. Thank you very much!

247 posted on 04/06/2002 3:05:43 PM PST by CyberAnt
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To: Buckeroo
No wonder America is dead. You are at the forefront of killing us.

And just what are YOU doing to save us?

248 posted on 04/06/2002 3:06:55 PM PST by rintense
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To: twyn1
The government wants to take pictures of me in my bedroom (sadly, they'd probably be quite disappointed in my pics)

LOL!! This was one of his points (?) I believe. Somehow, I seriously doubt that anyone in the government wants to take pictures in any of our bedrooms! What does it say about someone who thinks it does?! Talk about paranoia!

And I still say, Somalia would be the perfect place.......no government at all there.

249 posted on 04/06/2002 3:08:15 PM PST by ohioWfan
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To: ohioWfan
You're a communist!
250 posted on 04/06/2002 3:08:33 PM PST by rintense
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To: rintense
I have raised money to help us in demonstrations around the USA against tyranny. Other than that, nothing.
251 posted on 04/06/2002 3:09:53 PM PST by Buckeroo
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To: CyberAnt
Without the 3rd party, it would have been 55% - and no Clinton for 8 years. Thank you very much!

That's a little fact that these fellows seem to forget. They lost sight of the big picture, and we got 8 years of corruption and filth.

252 posted on 04/06/2002 3:11:36 PM PST by ohioWfan
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To: rintense
Oh, geez, I thought I was a fascist! Now what do I do??
253 posted on 04/06/2002 3:13:35 PM PST by ohioWfan
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To: ohioWfan
Adolph Hitler had a vision of the Big_Picture, too,
254 posted on 04/06/2002 3:13:35 PM PST by Buckeroo
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To: Buckeroo
Why does America have to take charge? Why does America have to play world cop?

Well, then, who would you suggest play the role of world police? The UN? China? Russia? The EU? Al-Queda? A newly formed United Islamic Federation? Argentina?

Can you put together a post explaining your position consisting of more than 50 words?

I do enjoy your playing devil's advocate, however, which makes everyone else explain their positions in detail. Nice work. But what's yours in a minimum of 200 words?

255 posted on 04/06/2002 3:15:13 PM PST by Concentrate
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To: ohioWfan; Buckeroo
It was only a matter of time, rintense. I beat him to the punch.

Now I'm Adolf Hitler. tehehe! Their playlist is really short. Sooner or later they get to Hitler.

256 posted on 04/06/2002 3:16:15 PM PST by ohioWfan
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To: Mulder
"Yet Bush was strangely silent all during impeachment"

He was Governor of Texas - what did you want him to say?? Actually, knowing his morals, I don't think you would have liked what he would have said. Besides, what does the President's opinion with impeachment have to do with anything?? This is just another attempt to try to destroy Bush's popularity numbers. Sorry, it won't work with me.

257 posted on 04/06/2002 3:17:43 PM PST by CyberAnt
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To: Concentrate
Good luck with your request. Many before have failed in this very same endeavor.
258 posted on 04/06/2002 3:21:01 PM PST by Wphile
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To: Buckeroo
Ever read the Patriot Act that Bush signed into law? The government can make you a criminal for any reason it wants. And it defies the basis of our nation's history.

Do you, or anyone else, think that it will be struck down by the SCOTUS? If some can be so sure that the unConstitutional items in CFR will be struck down, how can the same people ignore the alleged unConstitutionality of CFR?

259 posted on 04/06/2002 3:22:42 PM PST by Concentrate
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To: Concentrate
Don't worry about me. I am just a government tax slave that pays for foreign entrapment of our natural rights. I am just a loser, like you, begging goverment to create "peace."
260 posted on 04/06/2002 3:23:13 PM PST by Buckeroo
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