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To: texlok
You post on/read FR and you want to see the police stop everybody and check their papers?

I'm at a loss for words.

I'm just looking at the big picture. We have a major problem with illegal immigration in this country and it's getting worse with each passing day. How do we get it under control? We have to do something. We have to start somewhere. Think about all the times we have to show our ID (our papers) in our daily life. Today I took money out of my bank account and had to show my ID. Then I went to the post office to pick up a package and had to show my ID. If I were to fly somewhere this weekend, I would have to show my ID at the ticket counter and maybe at the boarding gate too. If by showing my "papers" it makes this country safer from terrorism and at the same time helps to round up the millions of illegal aliens, then I feel that's a small price to pay. Sure, you give up a little bit of freedom in the process, but then freedom is not pure or absolute to start with.

134 posted on 04/06/2002 12:50:16 AM PST by usadave
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To: usadave
I'm just looking at the big picture. We have a major problem with illegal immigration in this country and it's getting worse with each passing day. How do we get it under control? We have to do something..............Sure, you give up a little bit of freedom in the process, but then freedom is not pure or absolute to start with.

You seem like an intelligent person. What has made you buy into the rhetoric coming out of DC, that the Constitution/Bill of Rights can just be set aside for a while and then when everything is better, it'll come back? I'm sure the German citizens thought so in the 1930s. I'm sure the Russian peasants thought so in the 1910s and 1920s. They thought giving up a little freedom would make everything secure and prosperous - little did either group of people know they were in for a decades long nightmare, that neither have fully recovered from.

To quote Thomas Jefferson, Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. Are you sure you belong at FR, and not DU?

138 posted on 04/06/2002 9:30:52 AM PST by texlok
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To: usadave
Just a quick question. If the police were allowed/forced to stop anybody and everybody constantly to ask for their papers, do you think the government would ever give us back our rights/freedoms? After all the illegals are long gone (or legalized, lol) do you think the government would give that chunk of the Constitution back to us.
141 posted on 04/06/2002 9:43:15 AM PST by texlok
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