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Requirement mandates CPR for fish
Napa Register ^ | April 4, 2002 | Andrew Kramer

Posted on 04/05/2002 7:01:02 AM PST by Grampa Dave

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To: Ernest at the beach; Spunky; iconoclast 2;all
Thanks to Spunky, this is what happens after the fish get CPR and swim up stream and there are too many of them:

For the squeamish, the guy with the ball bat is just administering anesthesia to these fish!

Thanks to Jim Buchal for being the pioneer in exposing the inane and insane behavior/actions of the fish and game enviralists in the NW before anyone else had the courage to do so!

41 posted on 04/05/2002 11:08:45 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
If there are any salmon fishers from LaLa land or SF, they would probably lock lips with the salmon to resuscitate the salmon!

In fact in SF, this might trigger an entire new bizarre behavior from a certain population of SF! Some would probably pay to go on a salmon boat to do the lip lock on salmon!

42 posted on 04/05/2002 11:14:19 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: anniegetyourgun; howlin; miss marple
Ladies just a little weird humor from our Pacific NW enviral whackos in charge of weird behavior with fish.

Enjoy and ping your friends who might enjoy this.

43 posted on 04/05/2002 11:18:17 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
So if one is caught kissing a fish, this is the excuse we will hear?
44 posted on 04/05/2002 11:22:33 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun
If someone is caught kissing a fish in the SF area, it will be considered to be normal and none of our business. If we say anything we will be labeled as speciephobics.

30 miles north of SF up to the Canadian border, it will be called mandatory CPR for fish.

Be sure to read the article for a real laugh, and some of the replies will make you really laugh. Do not have any coffee, soda, water or oj in your mouth before you read some of the replies to avoid ruining your keyboards.

45 posted on 04/05/2002 11:30:02 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
So you may not be off the remark with your reply of the fish liking the tank and getting addicted to it!

Well I'm glad you knew me well enough to guess that I was only half kidding, but it was pretty funny wasn't it, thinkin about Bubba cooing to the little fish about its pretty fins and how when it wiggles it makes him shiver and his knees stawrt knockin... OK, I'll stop. I'm just envious of your new computer.

It's obvious to any serious outdoorsman that the wild is a much more interesting and interactive place than the greenies even guess. It's too bad because we have a lot to learn from nature AND it from us. Many of the animals know who benefits them and its a pity these city people think that it's all too perfect to improve. You should see them goo-goo about suffering and death, pest infestations, and rotting forests as all "natural." They "know too much" to bother paying attention. If it weren't so damned destructive it would be funny.

46 posted on 04/05/2002 1:29:16 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Grampa Dave
What is your objection to this program? Are you the type who believes we should simply destroy all things natural just for the sake of destroying them?

We should use nature for our own benefit, but that means using not wasting. If we can target the excess hatchery fish while leaving the wild fish to spawn on their own, that is a good thing. I bet you don’t live in the Northwest and have never caught a fish in your life. Wild fish have a unique will to live because of their ability to survive in the wild, something the easy living hatchery fish don’t often exhibit. This program allows us to have the best of both worlds.

Have you ever watched wild fish spawning in a creek? Wild fish also return a source of nutrients to the river ecology by spawning and dying and decaying in the river and along the bank. Hatchery fish return to a cement pond where they are clubbed stripped of their eggs or milt and then hauled off to the dump.

Now that we have a successful means of returning wild fish to the river alive we can have both fish to eat and wild fish to enjoy and to enhance the river ecology. I love to catch fish with a rod and real and I like to watch the wild fish swim away with the hope of catching their progeny in a few years. I have also caught the same fish more than once. Wild fish will put on long hard charging runs with lots of acrobatics and do everything in their power to throw the hook; hatchery fish often give in quickly with little fighting ability.

We need to figure out more ways to utilize our natural resources to their fullest without simply wasting them. There are both short and long-term benefits to keeping healthy returns of wild fish along with ample hatchery fish.

47 posted on 04/05/2002 1:35:30 PM PST by One More Time
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To: Grampa Dave
Hey I heard a joke about a guy who got an erection while fishing and..

No, wait.. That definately wasn't CPR.

48 posted on 04/05/2002 2:45:51 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Grampa Dave
Here's an e-mail from one of my friends who's a salmon fisherman in Alaska...

I agree that this is not a bad idea if the alternative is an outright ban. However there are a few other issues that also need to be looked at to ensure that the commercial fisherman are treated fairly.

Is the species truly endangered? Gov't agencies with agenda's have been know to fake evidence to support their agenda.

Do Indians have the same restrictions. In every case I have seen, the white fisherman lose their privileges and the red (if I can be called white than they can be called red) fisherman don't.

What restrictions are being placed sport fishing? Sometime these restrictions are pushed by sport fishing lobbies to fit their agenda. This lobbying is usually attempted in stealth mode, but the truth usually comes out.

So, if the species is really endangered and restrictions are enforced equally among all groups this policy is better than not fishing at all.




49 posted on 04/05/2002 2:54:47 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Grampa Dave; Spunky
Time to break out the pictures of the F&G killing salmon with baseball bats due to too many of them!

My salmon fisherman friend had this to say about fish clubbing...

Clubbing fish at hatcheries is a regular practice. These fish are ready to spawn, so the club them and squeeze the sperm or eggs for breeding. This is not because there are too many fish.

I have some concerns regarding the whole fish hatchery concept, but that is another issue.




50 posted on 04/05/2002 2:58:58 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Grampa Dave
I don't know what to say. Maybe if we stuck some Oregon politicians in that tank, we could force some oxygen in their petrified brains!
51 posted on 04/05/2002 3:08:13 PM PST by AuntB
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To: Grampa Dave
What happens when a hatchery salmon fertilizes the eggs of a wild salmon? (or visaversa?) Is THAT legal? Or if two hatchery salmon "go wild" - what in hell are they anyway?

Whatever. At any rate, my BBQ salmon fillets were WILD!

52 posted on 04/05/2002 7:26:14 PM PST by Phil V.
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To: One More Time
Hey Clymer Enviralist read some of my posts and my background re fishing before you come in throwing spears.

I'm all for native fish and have never knowingly killed a native fish. I will not fish in native fish areas during times of possible stress to the fish such as too low water or too high water or during spawning time. I never fish with a barbed hook and purposely use lighter tippets that I can break off rather than harm a fish. If I can't get a native fish in at a rate of 1 minute per pound, I will break the tippet off to save that fish.

What I have come to despise and yeah hate is the word, the phoney baloney, lies and out right Bravo Sierra used by Cal Trout, Oregon Trout and of course the lying fish and Game people of both states to push the enviral rural cleansing game! Then pious Bravo Sierra statements like yours to cover for the assine actions of the Oregon Fish and Game re CPR for fish. What's next, kidney transplant and heart transplants for old and eldery native fish?

I have let my memberships to all of the various trout organizations lapse and expire do to their complicity with the enviral nazis who use salmoniods to control water to farmers and ranchers to practice rural cleansing on ranchers and farmers who happen to have their farms and ranches in areas where the enviral nazis want zero humans.

That is my problem with fish and game here in Kali and in Oregon. They are basically lying card carrying enviralists pushing the enviralists rural cleansing agenda 24/7 instead of doing a job of protecting the fish.

This ridiculous Fish CPR program is typical of the meddling Nazi/Nanny enviralists. If we fired every so called fish biologist on the west coast, set up strick catch and release for all native trout/salmoniods and allowing only a single barbless hook, the native trout would make a great come back on their own if protected.

Take the funds wasted on enviralist/card carrying and lying fish biolpgist and spend that money running clean hatcheries for fisht to catch and eat and for bad a$$ed field officers who lock people up for violation of legitimate fish and game rules like killing a native trout/salmoniod, using bait or treble hooks to catch them and other poaching techniques.

It has been 3 years since I have seen a California Fish Game officer actually in the field in Cali protecting the fish by looking for poachers and law breakers. They are all on the coast harrassing the professional salmon fishers trying to force them out of business. We have to beg and plead with Fish and Game to come out to native trout streams to patrol them and protect them from poachers and illegal taking of the native trout! Their agents are out trying to rurally cleanse Cali trying to find Red Legged Frogs or maybe a place that Red Legged Frogs might like.

So take your defense of these clowns to someone who will buy it. I won't!

53 posted on 04/05/2002 10:01:37 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Phil V.
The DNA on all of them is the same! All Coho, Chinook, and other salmon have the same DNA if they are hatchery or natives.
54 posted on 04/05/2002 10:04:28 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
Since you felt in necessary to preface you little rant with an insult aimed my way it is obvious that you are incapable of intelligent discourse and it would be a waste of my time to read further.
55 posted on 04/07/2002 1:56:57 PM PDT by One More Time
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To: One More Time
Adios, it is impossible have any intelligent discussion with any enviralist who prefers fish over humans!
56 posted on 04/07/2002 1:58:51 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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