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Three elderly people with knives arrested at Palm Beach airport
Drudge | April 4, 2002 | AP

Posted on 04/04/2002 6:50:19 AM PST by SLB

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To: B Knotts
Does my CCW cover my Poulan? It patterns pretty bad. The tough part of getting the permit was hitting the target at 21 feet. I got real tired of throwing the saw that far. I made the mistake of thinking big was better for the course and took the Stihl.
121 posted on 04/04/2002 10:22:35 AM PST by SLB
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To: Beenliedto
Which is why I never fly commercial.

Dam I wish I had a choice!

122 posted on 04/04/2002 10:26:33 AM PST by areafiftyone
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To: SLB
ROFL

But, you know, maybe someone ought to have one in case there are any downed trees on the runway. :-)

Seriously, though, I have that problem sometimes on the road I take to get to work in the morning. And my Poulan does the job.

Although, deep down, I have a hankerin' for a Husky!

123 posted on 04/04/2002 10:28:06 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: Goetz_von_Berlichingen
We can blame the airport security people all we want but this kind of stuff is really caused by lawyers and laws that demand equal treatment for all under the law. If they only screened arabs or those who looked like terrorists the scum sucking attorneys would make a mint off the lawsuits. Sad to say but because of this reality lives are in jeopardy.
124 posted on 04/04/2002 10:35:24 AM PST by KSCITYBOY
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To: discostu
"...we're a society of rules.."

All the "rules" on the books didn't stop any of the hijackers. "Rules" don't stop criminals.

When you can come up with some "rules" that work better than my being responsible for my own safety, then get back to me.

125 posted on 04/04/2002 10:51:55 AM PST by wcbtinman
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To: wcbtinman
That's real nice big talk. And as soon as you can tell me how people in the building can protect themselves from aircraft I'll treat it serious. Until then you're just blowing steam.
126 posted on 04/04/2002 10:59:37 AM PST by discostu
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To: discostu
re:post 92

Your assumption is that only the govt can provide the necessary security deterrent. If the bad guys know that only the govt does this, then that leaves the ordinary citizen as the "easier mark". By your own argument, why shouldn't the passengers have liberty teeth (firearms) as well?

If the deterrent factor works for the govt, it works equally well for the rest of us.

127 posted on 04/04/2002 11:11:39 AM PST by wcbtinman
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To: Lazamataz
"I advise bringing chainsaws on board."

Now that could cause an explosive decompression. (sarcasm)

128 posted on 04/04/2002 11:14:22 AM PST by wcbtinman
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To: wcbtinman
Now that could cause an explosive decompression.....

..........in the head of the security guard who was checking my carry on!

129 posted on 04/04/2002 11:17:23 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: discostu
If the passengers on those airplanes had been armed, I'll bet that at least one of them would have put a stop to the hijacking long before the aircraft got pointed toward a building.

Your assertion about those in the building not being able to protect themselves works only because no one on the airplane(s) was permitted to defend themselves with a firearm, and is therefore moot.

As for big talk, I have been in the unfortunate position twice of having to defend myself with a firearm, and I can personally attest to the deterrent power of a .357. You can spout all of the platitudes you wish, but I know better.

130 posted on 04/04/2002 11:25:39 AM PST by wcbtinman
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To: wcbtinman
I made no such assumptions. IMHO we should be allowed to be armed on planes. But like the cellular commercial says: we don't live anywhere near perfect. Starting from an assumption that we are at least 20 years away from being able to carry weapons on planes we need airport security. Frankly even if we can carry guns on a place we STILL need airport security (if you check my other posts I think the government should set the standard, and enforce the standard, but security shouldn't be provided by the government, the government's not good at that stuff). Armed citizens are the last line of defense.

Protecting us from foreign hostility both actual and potential is on the governments to do list as set out by the Constitution. Airplanes are a weapon of mass destruction that can be used quite effectively against us. The question is how to do it. There's a two layer goal the security needs to be effective (which probably means the government doesn't do it directly) and maintain our liberties as much as possible.

Of course there's a real problem here, even in a perfect world I have no idea how to provide useful airport security without serious inconvenience to the traveler and impinging on their liberties. Given what I know about the response of your average person to being in victim situation, and what I know about taking down planes, I'm actually surprised that El Al has been effective for as long as it has been. Planes and people are just too weak.

131 posted on 04/04/2002 11:26:27 AM PST by discostu
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To: discostu
Given the fact that a huge proportion of the airport security are non-citizens, and given that a large proportion of those are likely illegal aliens, I'd say that the people doing the security are a more likely threat, on average, than the passengers.
132 posted on 04/04/2002 11:34:37 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: SLB
Yeah, it's cool. Thanks for pinging me.

Man, there's a lot to this.

1) Acting willfully blind to the threat posed very specifically by young males of ME descent is absolutely crazy.

2) Unless everyone is at an 'equal chance' of being searched, the young males of ME descent have a foolproof way of smuggling weapons on board--by threatening or blackmailing oldsters, white females, kids, whatever to smuggle the weapons on as mules. That's what I'd do if I was a bad guy and had an idea that certain folks won't be searched.

3) No 'zero tolerance'--use a little discretion, not in searching everyone, but in charging and actually punishing people for breaking the airport 'security' rules.

4) Any searches of passengers and flight crew is an absolute waste of time because of the lack of security attention paid to the ground crews handling food, baggage and maintenance. So you may as well just search young males of ME descent because the really motivated ones will get weapons on anyhow.

133 posted on 04/04/2002 11:35:44 AM PST by Cogadh na Sith
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To: discostu
"We STILL need airport security..."

In general terms, why? Airport security is now and always has been a complete farce. That the govt has taken over makes it that much more so.

Since airlines are a public conveyance, operated by a private entity, and are just like trains, buses, and other forms of "public" transportation where is the hue and cry for such security measures there? Such other modes of transportation have the equal possibility for human and materiel destruction, so where are the hours long waits to board a bus?

No security system is perfect, and airplanes, even with armed passengers may still be flown into buildings. That said however, it has been reliably demonstrated that counting on someone else for your security is not a good idea. Guns, knifes and all sorts of other "weapons" are continually getting through the most heightened security that can be offered. In other words, it ain't workin.

It's time to try the one thing that has been proven, over and over again in a myriad of scenarios to work.

The armed citizen.

134 posted on 04/04/2002 11:42:27 AM PST by wcbtinman
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
My 74 year old father in law just flew into Michigan last week from West Palm. He discovered while packing for his return trip that he had a pocket knife in his carry on luggage on his flight to Michigan. But security did not catch it. Feel safer now?

IMO, we'd be safer if we were all issued knives while boarding. A passenger with a knife becomes a hijack danger as a result of disarming (a bit of an overstatement discussing pocket knives) the passenger cabin.

I thought I read recently that folding knives with blades under 2 1/2" or 3 5/8" were now being allowed. Your dad might have been OK.

135 posted on 04/04/2002 11:43:39 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SLB
To SLB The new oxymoran is increased airport securiy. How stupid this crap.
136 posted on 04/04/2002 11:46:00 AM PST by CHICAGOFARMER
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To: Lazamataz
"I have never once seen the word 'Chainsaws' on that list."

Nor have I. hehehe,..I might add.. But they'll take away my snowmobile engine powered 24" timber saw trimmer only when they pry it from by dead cold fingers,....hehehehe.

137 posted on 04/04/2002 12:04:32 PM PST by Cvengr
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To: chookter
Before you get too motivated to intimidate a "Grey Panther" elder, you might want to lend some assistance to the elderly for a while. Trust me on this one. I know of very few ways, for a youngster to insure he get's his clock cleaned than to foolishly believe he's going to intimidate an elderly person to become a 'mule'.

I can think of a number of older folks who can defend themselves quite well and are also saavy enough to pretend to be impotent until the youngster is stupid enough or not to let down his guard.

138 posted on 04/04/2002 12:14:24 PM PST by Cvengr
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To: SJackson
I see no reason why finger nail clippers were ever on a list of items to be confiscated.

We might as well profile terrorists as "air-breathers", therefore no air will be allowed on board. ergo...We must place all passengers to sleep during flight.....BS

139 posted on 04/04/2002 12:17:43 PM PST by Cvengr
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To: Cvengr
I can think of a number of older folks who can defend themselves quite well and are also saavy enough to pretend to be impotent until the youngster is stupid enough or not to let down his guard.

Needless to say, terrorists are a little brighter and more meticulous in their planning than the average gangsta.

140 posted on 04/04/2002 12:29:38 PM PST by Cogadh na Sith
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